[en] Edain Mod > [Edain] Gondor Suggestions
New Skins for Arnor Soldiers!?
Adamin:
Actually a lot of thought was put into the Arnor design back then. So much so, that we're still quite satisfied with it.
The Soldiers in the Prologe of the first LotR movie are not the same as our Arnorian Soldiers. The Battle of the Last Alliance ends the Second Age, so it's Year 0 of the Third Age. Arnors conflict with Angmar meanwhile lasts from Year 1400 till 1900 of the Third Age.
Almost two Millenia later! The style of Arnor would have hardly stayed the same in this space of time. That's why our Arnor soldiers look similar but have some differences to the soldiers of the Last Alliance.
The symbol of the White Tree was removed because it is much closer tied to Gondor then Arnor. Isildur, cofounder of Gondor, rescued the seedlings from Nimloth and planted them in Minas Ithil & Minas Tirith (which was then called Minas Anor) down in Gondor.
--- Zitat von: The Return of the King, Book Five, Chapter VI: The Battle of the Pelennor Fields ---Upon the foremost ship a great standard broke, and the wind displayed it as she turned towards the Harlond. There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; [...]
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There are however the Heirlooms of the House of Elendil, founder of Arnor, which were handed down through the genereations and hold dear in Arnor: The Elendilmir, the Sceptre of Annúminas, and the Ring of Barahir. We decided that these artifacts would give us a more personal coat of arms for Arnor and would further distinguish it from its sister realm Gondor.
So yeah, those are some of the thousand minute details that went into our Arnor Soldiers. ^^
CragLord:
That new edain mix of those three symbols was one of the most uniqe stuff you have implemented in mod in my opinion. :) I personally like it very much, and I agree that Nimloth white tree symbol from Númenorean's shields of second age (and from Lotr prologe) wasn't good idea for period of Arnor kingdom of 1900 year of Third age.
Concerning symbol of white tree, we probably have one thing to think about.
In general, in movies, we have symbol of Nimloth, which is white tree of Númenor.
I agree that symbol of Numloth wasn't suitable as offical symbol for Arnor because of that time gap between Elendil's time and ending ruling period of his heirs in Arnor during 20th century of third age.
Current white tree symbol of tree of Gondor is offical and very lore correlated to Gondor.
It present current white tree of Minas Thirit. As you have said "similar" one existed in Minas Ithil.
But also, every heir of Elendil has practice to use that white tree symbol with winged crown on top of it. So officially from lore, Arnor's ruling members could use that white tree with crown as symbol. That winged crown presents Elendils heritage in general.
White tree without crown presents official symbol of Gondor.
So that was a small note, and I comletely understand new offical symbol.
One question from lore, those birds on elite units and their armor? They also appeared on Faramirs weta designed shield. What they represent?
Now concerning current Arnor units, I find them very nice, and it is noticeable that team have invested a lot of effort in them. One thing which should be improved is model of Arnor spearman (or pikeman). They look really desoriented with their animation, and their current model should be improved with some longer and better spears.
Current spears are too short, and their attack and moving animations are very "unusual".
Simply Gondor corresponding unit look so much better in comparison with them. That is probably only model cosmetic thing I have found really bad in this current Arnor faction.
Arnor Spearman should be improved according to standard of this mod in my opinion.
If I look out of this topic, maybe somehow also to try to make some better palantir portrait of Araphant and his model to improve also. That's all concerning Arnor in general which isn't on Edain's famous detailed level in my opinion.
P.S. I have wonder, some new heroic unit for Arnor is needed. To correspond to Gonor's Guardians of the White city. Have team thought about Guardians of Annúminas, which were suggested by BalkanLuka some time ago on modb? I think that suggestion could be nice stuff to think about in this way. :)
They could probably correspond to Guardinas of the White city in the situation when Arvendui gets ring? :) (Maybe to rename them to Guardians of Fornost because of time/lore facts etc)
Regards,
CragLord
Adrigabbro:
When I looked out for Arnor bugs the other day, I couldn't help thinking there was a little something wrong with Arnor basic units. I'm not saying the details are bad, but as someone reported somewhere else perhaps their head is alittle too big and that's what makes them look kinda weird.
Anyway, just like Araphant palantir icon and skin, those are not top-priority things but they could use some little work if you guys decide to look into Arnor with Angmar on its way.
Adamin:
--- Zitat von: CragLord am 12. Dez 2015, 02:49 ---One question from lore, those birds on elite units and their armor? They also appeared on Faramirs weta designed shield. What they represent?
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Those are actually purely decoration. One of the few things. I didn't came up with any specific meaning for them. It was more a means to distinguish the elite banner from the standard banner.
CragLord:
--- Zitat von: Adamin am 12. Dez 2015, 10:41 ---Those are actually purely decoration. One of the few things. I didn't came up with any specific meaning for them. It was more a means to distinguish the elite banner from the standard banner.
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They are pretty nice decoration. Anyway, I had some different view on them after I have seen first time that non canon (correct me if I am wrong) shiled of Faramir:
I think that those "birds" present two simetrical parts of Elendil's crown. :)
Anyway, very fitting for Arnor. ;)
P.S. Why did you divide you answer on my post? :P
I got confused. :D
Regards,
CragLord
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