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Concept of Arnor heroes

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TiberiusOgden:
I found that some Arnor heroes have a problem with corresponding role. They should be more or less similar to Gondor heroes.
 And after implementation Imladris and Lindon into the Arnor faction, individual roles for heroes are somewhere little bit disrupted.

Look at it more closely …

The current situation:

Gondor/ Arnor

Pippin/Carthaen (settlement) - Scout hero
Denethor/Malbeth - Unit supporter
Beregond/Araphant - Building supporter
Faramir (settlement)/Aranarth (fortress) - Unit supporter
Boromir/Arvedui - Tank
Aragorn/? - Hero killer
Gandalf - Mass slayer
Imrahil (Outpost)/Cirdan (settlement) - Unit supporter
Glorfindel (Outpost) - Tank

Main problem is that Arnor scout hero is on the settlement. Although he should be in the fortress like others. Scout hero on the settlement is quite useless thing for game play.

Well, theoretically Carthaen can be on the settlement, because he definitely is dunedain, but then his scout function is gone and there is needed new scout - for example hobbit from the spellbook (Gondor also has hobbit) … but there would have been too many heroes.

Anarath corresponds to Faramir. Carthaen is simply another dunedain ranger … so if Faramir is for Gondor on the settlement, then Anarath in the Arnor should be on the settlement as well. And Carthaen will be normally in the main fotress.

Another problem is - that in the Arnor currently missing hero killer, because Eärnur is now in the spellbook … in comparison to Aragorn who is normally in the fortress for Gondor. And on the other hand in the Arnor we can find two tanks: Glorfindel and Arvedui.

There are again some options:
1)   Eärnur will be permanent hero – but in this case is hole in the spellbook and again – problem with too many permanent heroes.
2)   Glorfindel for Arnor will have different role (similar to Glorfindel in 3.8.1) and for Imladris will be tank (because sons of Elrond will be hero killers there)
3)   Arnor simply won‘t have hero killer, although Gondor has such role.

So overall without useless interventions Arnor should have following structure of heroes:

Gondor/Arnor

Pippin/Carthaen - Scout hero
Denethor/Malbeth - Unit supporter
Beregond/Araphant - Building supporter
Faramir/Aranarth (both on settlement) - Unit supporter
Boromir/Arvedui - Tank
Aragorn/Glorfindel (outpost) - Hero killer
Gandalf - Mass slayer
Imrahil (outpost)/Cirdan (settlement) - Unit supporter

Shagrat:

--- Zitat ---Well, theoretically Carthaen can be on the settlement, because he definitely is dunedain
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tbh that'd be no Reason... Arvedui too is a Dunedain as is Araphant, as is Aranarth... as are most human units of Arnor

TiberiusOgden:
Exactly,

it was only general statement concerning him.
Of course, we can say it about many characters there, but it is not the main thought of my thread.   :)

Lord of Mordor:
You're right, from a gameplay perspective Carthaen would probably be better off in the fortress. He's supposed to take Pippin's role, and thus should be available early.

I like Earnur in the spellbook though. He was not a man of Arnor, he came to their defense from Gondor and is very much the equivalent of Gondor's Rohan spell. For a hero killer, perhaps we could simply add the Sons of Elrond to the Rivendell fortress. Or Glorfindel could get a different role there, but I think that might be confusing. However, is role within Rivendell actually isn't set in stone yet because we haven't balanced that faction yet. So he might still change as well.

TiberiusOgden:

--- Zitat von: Lord of Mordor am  4. Apr 2015, 18:46 ---I like Earnur in the spellbook though. He was not a man of Arnor, he came to their defense from Gondor.

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I think so, he fits better to the spellbook, where is usual place for reinforcements.


--- Zitat von: Lord of Mordor am  4. Apr 2015, 18:46 ---For a hero killer, perhaps we could simply add the Sons of Elrond to the Rivendell fortress.

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There fits much more Glorfindel, according to Witch king prophecy. He helped to Arnor against Angmar quite lot. He is maybe only one from the elven race, who really fits there permanently. We have no information about Elladan and Elrohir in this area.


--- Zitat von: Lord of Mordor am  4. Apr 2015, 18:46 ---Or Glorfindel could get a different role there, but I think that might be confusing. However, is role within Rivendell actually isn't set in stone yet because we haven't balanced that faction yet. So he might still change as well.

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Yes, it can be confusing, on the other hand there could be difference from the Imladris Glorfindel. Angmar Witch king is also different and he is still Witch king.
Personally I really like "tank role" for him, especially for Imladris it will be very suitable.
Well, even in Arnor he can stay as a tank, and Arvedui can be reworked to hero killer role. Maybe it will correspond more, because he is available in the fortress, exactly like Aragorn for Gondor, so both hero killers will be in the fotress like both scouts.

Overall,
hero killer role seems be very important for each faction in the new version, where all heroes have different roles, they are cheaper, they cost no CP and mainly - AI really likes them.  ;) 8-)

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