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The AI in Edain 4.0
Kastorus:
As you wish but remember I told you to try hard first ;) :D
Elite KryPtik:
Holy sweet fuck did that ever suck. Well I played against a Brutal Gondor as Isengard with a 1k start. I wouldn't call it difficult so much as REALLY tedious. I did win 1st try, after about 4 hours of back and forth with that bastard. All you have to do is survive the first 20 minutes and the massive first rush that comes, which includes all of Gondor's heroes in it. Also realize that you won't hold any outside farms, all you can do is keep him at a choke until you have all of your heroes and summon powers, then you can push for his base. I'm never doing that again. When you play on maps meant to hold 6 players, play with 6 players, because otherwise the Brutal's inhuman harassment and unit spam will drive you to drink.
Now that I did your challenge, I feel its only fair that you do my challenge. I already posted it, but here it is again. Play as Gondor against brutal Isengard on Fords of Isen I, with a 1k start. I guarantee you that you will not survive.
Kastorus:
Very well gonna try against insegard as gondor and good job that u won that match :D but still I like those type of games that are long its fun atleast for me.
Elite KryPtik:
The problem is that I had him in situations at least 3 times where against a human opponent I would have won. But Brutals don't give a fuck about economy, so even destroying their bases barely affects them. I like long games too, if its truly a game where I'm barely holding my own. In a situation where I should have won 3 times however, it becomes extremely repetitive and frustrating. Don't forget that the map for Gondor vs Isengard is Fords of Isen I, with starting money of 1k. I tried at least 8 times and not matter what BO I did, I always lost. I only finally beat him when I had a 4k start, and even then it was just barely.
Gnomi:
The AI gives a fuck about their economy. They still have to pay for everything, they just get everything much cheaper.
As said:
Brutal means brutal and you can't expect to win against this AI. This is not only in this game like that - it's in many games similar. Our goal was something like that:
Easy - good enemy against beginners, they can win, but also can loose
Medium - stronger than easy, if you play from time to time and don't spam games you should be able to handle this AI most of the times
Hard - really hard for players who aren't playing often and a normal enemy for players who play a lot (means: you win most of the games, but can also loose)
Brutal: well... you die if you don't play much better and you have to expect hundreds over hundreds of units. Don't expect a fair game.
In nearly every game the AI cheats, have you played f.e. AoE? You never played against hard enemies as normal player, as it can spam much more than you.
Just don't play against brutal, but therefore against hard, when you think that brutal cheats too much for you.^^ Many people like to fight the brutal AI and win - and as long as there are weaker AIs for people who don't want such unfair battles, I think that there are no problems. :)
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