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Adamin:

--- Zitat von: ThorinsNemesis am 14. Apr 2015, 06:19 ---I always wanted to know:
Where exactly is Durin's Folk's dwelling in the Blue Mountains? I found only 3 answers, and they were all different - one stated it was in the Southern Blue Mountains, south of the spur (MERP wiki); another stated it was in the central or southern part of the Northern Blue Mountains, built over the survived ruins of Nogrod (LOTR wiki); and the last location I found was in the Northern Blue Mountains beyond the Little Lune river, a few miles north of Belegost which survived south of the Little Lune (Tolkien Gateway).
Which one of these is true? Or is there a map showing the so called 'Thorin's Halls', the Little Lune and the ruins of Belegost?

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So wait, you're talking about the dwellings in the 3. Age, not about the ancient dwellings of Nogrod and Belegost?

ThorinsNemesis:
Yes, the 3rd age place where Thorin settled while in exile.

Adamin:
I think I found something for your question by accident today. While looking up Daín in the Appendix of the Lord of the Rings "of Durins Folk", I found a passage that said Thorin and Thraín made their new home in the East of the Ered Luin, beyond the Lhûn.

I don't know if there are other passages about "Thorins Halls", but I suspect that this is the only hint we have. And since Thorins Folk came from the South through Dunland to Eriador, I suspect that beyond the Lhûn means to the northwest of the River.

That would place the Halls somewhere on the eastern slopes of the northern Ered Luin, which in turn Tolkien Gateway is closest to.

ThorinsNemesis:
Thanks, Adamin, for the answer. Now at least I know Thorin's halls were probably located a bit south of the Little Lune, east of the Lune river.  xD

Adamin:
While beginning to finally read the Silmarillion, I found an interesting paragraph in the foreword: Tolkiens Letter to Milton Waldman. The Letter is basically a really good summary of the Silmarillion. It also mentions some informations about Sauron and the Rings of Power.


--- Zitat ---He [Sauron] rules a growing empire from the great dark tower of Barad-dûr in Mordor, near to the Mountain of Fire, wielding the One Ring.
But to achieve this he had been obliged to let a great part of his own inherent power (a frequent and very significant motive in myth and fairy-story) pass into the One Ring. While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself: he was not 'diminished'. Unless some other seized it and became possessed of it. If that happened, the new possessor could (if sufficiently strong and heroic by nature) challenge Sauron, become master of all that he had learned or done since the making of the One Ring, and so overthrow him and usurp his place. This was the essential weakness he had introduced into his situation in his effort (largely unsuccessful) to enslave the Elves, and in his desire to establish a control over the minds and wills of his servants.
[...]
Also so great was the Ring's power of lust, that anyone who used it became mastered by it; it was beyond the strength of any will (even his own) to injure it, cast it away, or neglect it. So he thought. It was in any case on his finger.
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- J.R.R. Tolkien: Letter 131 to Milton Waldman -

I found that very interesting, because I always assumed that Sauron was weakened through the loss of the One Ring. This paragraph though makes the Ring sound more like a focus for Saurons power: He was stronger with it, but didn't loose that without it.

So that would mean that Sauron diminished after the Battle of the Last Alliance not (only) because of Isildur cutting off the Ring, but (also) because of the fight with Elendil, Gil-Galad, and Co. that he lost, if I understand this correctly.

Then again, it's not exactly clear what it means with 'some other seizing and becoming possessed of it'. Is Isildur claiming the Ring, or Gollum wearing it, already enough to cut of Sauron from his power, or do you actually have to use the Ring for that?

Nevertheless, knowing this would have been really useful in the Poll for the most powerful being in Middle-earth. Mighta changed some minds... xD

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