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Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Fredius am  8. Feb 2016, 18:28 ---Omg I love that soundtrack! It always plays in the evil campaign map of bmfe1 (**)! Hearing Saruman speaking about the conquest of Middle-Earth and this soundtrack playing in the background while the camera moves across the Middle-Earth map is really one of the most thrilling experiences ever!


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Exactly  :P

And, do we want to talk about the Good Campaign's soundtrack?
In the Italian version of BFME1, it's Galadriel the narrator of the events (not Gandalf), and there is the Grey Havens theme in the background, played in the end of ROTK, when Frodo, Bilbo and the Guardians of the Three sail to the West  (**)
As if the track wanted to tell ''You are the last hope for Middle Earth''  8-)

Very heartwarming and comforting, I would say  :)

Fredius:
Really? I don't know what the soundtrack is called in the English version, but it's the same as the one that plays at the beginning of the vanilla Rise of the Witch-King trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-6G4wj9_eM

Walküre:
Correct.
Here it is  ;)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZCQ53pWxDcE
It's arguably my favourite theme from LOTR.
It's both sad yet holy, as Tolkien describes the silent journey of Galadriel, Elrond, other High Elves and the Hobbits from the Shire to the Grey Havens (he literally writes Holy Sadness).

Yes, in the books it's the opposite.
Gandalf is in the Havens waiting for Galadriel, Elrond and the Hobbits to come.
And, Galadriel rides a white horse  (**)

Fredius:
Well since the Rise of the Witch-King I think about the beauty that Arnor once was everytime I hear that soundtrack (because of the damn trailer :D)! It is indeed a beautifull soundtrack.

Speaking of which I find BFME2 original ost very great. At moments I find them greater then many LOTR or Hobbit soundtracks; don't hate me for it [ugly]!

Adamin:
@ hoho & Val: I'm just using the game to think creatively about what we got from the books and how it correlates. The game is taking many liberties, I'm not denying that, but it's core ideas do have some substance to them. If you engage with it. ;)


--- Zitat von: hoho96 am  8. Feb 2016, 17:57 ---Sauron (the greatest craftsman in middle earth)
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Is there a source for this? I know that this association seems fitting, with Sauron being a Maia of Aule, but are there any more examples to this except the One Ring?
Generally speaking the greatest craftsman to ever be in Middle-earth (no matter how short) would most definetly be Fëanor. ;)



--- Zitat von: hoho96 am  8. Feb 2016, 17:57 ---needing Celebrimbor's help to finish the ring
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Maybe finishing was a bad choice of words on my part. Speaking in game lore: The Ring was definetly finished and completed in its function by Sauron. It enhanced Saurons Powers and could dominate the Will of other lesser Ringbearers. But in doing so the Ring revealed itself. Celebrimbor did not alter or enhanced any of the Rings power, he only hid/cloaked its influence in the minds of others. And it makes sense that he, as an Elf, would have a better understanding than Sauron of what Elves could perceive.
So Sauron did finish his ultimate weapon on his own. But he used Celebrimbor to give the Ring an elvish advantage.



--- Zitat von: hoho96 am  8. Feb 2016, 17:57 ---It quite sili to think that the one who taught the Elves how to make the rings in the first place, would need assistance from an Elf
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Weeeell... Wouldn't it also be silly to think that a theoretical physicist could build a flawless rocket on the first try? ^^
As far as I understand the Silmarillion Sauron taught the Elves many things in lore and magic. He (quote) guided their labours, but the real smithing of the Rings of Power was exclusively made by the Elves. So I'd say its not farfetched to think that the Elves, and Celebrimbor most of them, had a much more practical understanding of Ringmaking than Sauron. And hey, that's not really an accusation or something. Saurons Ring did work after all. I'm just saying that we don't have to think of the One Ring as flawless. And SoM plays with that.



--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  8. Feb 2016, 18:19 ---Although it has different effects depending on people's own characteristics, the One Ring is totally complete in itself, and its inner essence could never be altered (diminish or augment) by anyone's actions.
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Again, where exactly do you get that from? It sounds logical yes, but isn't that rather an extended association with the fact that the Ring could never be destroyed by anyone?
I mean, if we assume that Saurons Will is the essence of the One Ring, then just by the fact that someone (quote) sufficiently strong and heroic by nature can overthrow Saurons Will and control the One Ring the essence has been altered! The primary driver has been changed.

The result would be the same of course, the new Lord of the Ring would be just another Sauron. But I would argue that this result is not necessarily Saurons Influence, but rahter just an elemental trait of Evil.
Though I admit that this distinction is hard to pinpoint... It boils down to the question: Is the Ring evil because it is from Sauron, or is the Ring from Sauron because of Evil?  [ugly]

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