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hoho96:
I agree with you 99%  :D
However, I kind of like Benedict Cumberbatch voice for Sauron. I think it was that they couldn't bring back the guy who voiced Sauron in LotR, but Cumberbatch is an amazing alternative!

Other sins:

- The God damn*&@% Eagles!!! It's by far the worst ex machina in movie history ever!! Even Tolkien never used them so cheaply  :-|

- The Dwarves encounter with Smaug (the battle of the forges). Although the action looked freak'n awesome, but it literally makes no sense whatsoever; The whole point of bringing Bilbo is to sneak to the mountain the steal the gem. They were scared to death from Smaug. Why would they ever go YOLO on him!!
and then after the ridiculous golden weapon plan, why would Smaug go to kill the poor lake men. The Dwarves were right under his mercy after their "plan" to entomb him failed.

- The whole Angmar thing makes no sense at all!!
The lonely mountain is the key to control the north??!!! have they ever looked at any map for Middle Earth?! The Lonely Mountain is nowhere near Angmar, nor any major road to Angmar, nor anywhere within a 1000 miles from Angmar!!!!
And if they already have Gundabad (an ancient stronghold and armory of Angmar) where beyond it lays Angmar (as Legolas mentioned) then the Lonely Mountain attack makes no sense cause the Orcs already hold the gate and all lands of Angmar!
And apparently Sauron has lost his mind and abandoned Mordor and the glorious Barad Dur and his coming war on all of Middle Earth to spend even more time and effort to rebuild a barren ice land into an old little kingdom that had served its purpose since more than 500 years ago!

- Not enough Dain!!! *period*.

- Why it's 3 movies!!! (more profit of course  :( )

- Why Azog's army is all Uruks! last time I've checked the Misty Mountains had mostly little Goblins and mutilated filthy orcs, and no fancy Isengard-ish steel armor.
If this same army was at helms deep (with the YOLO Trolls) I grantee that Rohan would have no chance at all  [uglybunti]

Shagrat:

--- Zitat ---- Why Azog's army is all Uruks! last time I've checked the Misty Mountains had mostly little Goblins and mutilated filthy orcs, and no fancy Isengard-ish steel armor.
If this same army was at helms deep (with the YOLO Trolls) I grantee that Rohan would have no chance at all  [uglybunti]
--- Ende Zitat ---
Azogs Army is Dol Guldur, Bolg Leads the Army of Mount Gundabad

hoho96:

--- Zitat ---Azogs Army is Dol Guldur, Bolg Leads the Army of Mount Gundabad
--- Ende Zitat ---
Seriously? In the movie lore it's said that the Orcs came from Moria and the misty mountains to gather in DolGuldur for the war.
Nonetheless, it still doesn't make any sense whatsoever; why doesn't Sauron make all his armies in this quality in wotr? he would have won the world!

CynasFan:
All this "We are a Prequel for Lord of the Rings". That was just *********!!!
Or in another way of questioning: What was´nt a Sin against Tolkien, Middlearth, the Hobbit book and the Lord of the Ring books or films or against the whole Universe which was so greatefull created by J.R.R. Tolkien?
Greetings, CynasFan

ThorinsNemesis:
Talking about Angmar and the Lonely Mountain as the 'key to conquering the North':  there is an interesting theory on what Sauron meant with that, here: http://musingsofatolkienist.blogspot.com/2015/01/gundabad-what-was-that-exactly.html?m=1
Also, about the Nazgul being entombed, they actually have bodies, just invisible ones, and according to the movies, someone put powerful spells on their tombs so that they could not come to life again, or just prevent them from getting out, until Sauron revived them.
Also, talking about the wars with Angmar, I have a thread where a theory is developed on why Elrond said they have been living in Peace for 400 years, on Thranduil's wife's death and some other things, here: http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=855652;sb=post_time;so=DESC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread
Thorin did not have a beard, because, as PJ said in the Art book of AUJ, he cut his beard because he was grieving on the loss of Erebor and his father and grandfather, and he would not grow a beard until Erebor was reclaimed. He was made to look younger because PJ wanted to make the movie viewers believe he could actually have other heirs if he reclaimed Erebor.
About the orcs of Mount Gundabad, they probably held only Gundabad and not the whole of Angmar. Sauron had a strategy on taking Angmar (seen in the first thread I posted a link to), maybe he wanted to reclaim the ruins of Carn Dum, too, and maybe he needed to subdue the orcs at Gundabad in order to make them serve him completely. Another possibility is that some of the local population of Angmar remained there after the Witchking's death, and they would not obey a small army of Gundabad orcs, so Sauron wanted to send most of his armies there to subdue the population (consisting of Men of Carn Dum, orcs, Trolls and possibly some Black Numenorians, that had fled the destruction of the Kingdom). Then he could move to Carn Dum, or choose to remain in Dol Guldur making it his base of operations. He probably chose Angmar over Mordor because there were still some garrisons guarding the Land of Shadow (particularly Minas Morgul, which in movie lore was Minas Ithil, since the Nazgul were dead and could not claim it, and possibly Cirith Ungol), while Angmar was not guarded; and Eriador and Rhovanion were considerably weaker than Gondor and Rohan, so he chose to retake Angmar.
I like most things about the Hobbit movies, but I dislike one thing: the troll that broke the wall of Dale with his head  [uglybunti]

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