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CragLord:
Gray, stop worship me!  :D
Dain have right, it is possible in theory. Mass distribution, very light chain, and even then problem would be air resistance on rotating chain.
In general, it could fly, not straight like in trailer, and distance will be problematic. That would depent on mass, starting energy etc
That is observation from real world. :) It is possible ofc, but not to straight like in trailer. :P No more from me about this matter, I am going to sleep. ;)

P.S. Good night, or morning!? :) :P

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Gnomi am 27. Aug 2015, 02:11 ---As I have written above there is still a difference between things which look magical and things which are really magical. The dwarves were really good - but they used solid and not magical arts. Everyone with enough talent could have learned it - but the dwarves just had more talent than humen and most elves. Therefore it seemed magical.
But the elves were able to use some kind of magic (glowing blades when orcs are near) and those things weren't learnable. The dwarves weren't able to such things, simple because they weren't elves. But very talented elves are able to learn all of the dwarven techniques. (but there were way more talented dwarves than elves^^)


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Gnomi, I think we are probably saying similar things with different words  :)

What is generally known as 'Magic' or 'magical' should be rightly considered as an exclusive/natural Art or Knowledge, and, if we talk about the Elves, absolutely not replicable by the other races; but, as I wrote above, it's very unlikely that the Elves consider themselves or their artefacts really 'infused' by Magic, as an additional quality which comes out of nowhere.
The Elves 'just' regard their creations and power as a 'natural' Knowledge/Art of theirs, which is not replicable by the other races, because this kind of Knowledge refers and is ineluctably bound to their own nature.
The Elves thus know how to make swords shine in specific conditions as a 'common' Art/Knowledge of theirs, just like Yavanna knows how to raise enormous and enlightening Trees from the ground by chanting, or like Varda knows how to craft Stars  :)

The Dwarves and the Humans too have their own proper and specific Arts, but they obviously lack the 'magical' characteristics of the Elven ones, and can be learnt as well by the Elves themselves, because the Elves were the first ones to awaken as fully sentient beings in the World, and were endowed with much more Gifts.

Then, said these things, I never wrote that the Dwarves can use as well the Elven Magic/Arts, or that they can defy the physical laws of the World.
I wrote that they, as a specific race with a specific nature, surely possess secret and specific Arts (their natural Arts), which would easily be able to craft advanced machines or engineering systems; so much advanced to be regarded as 'magical' or impossible by mainly Humans (as we all are  :D), as a mostly scientific and strictly rational approach is exactly one of their (our) characteristics  :)
It's not really crucial focusing strictly on this PJ's interpretation, since the topic could certainly involve any type of other 'advanced' machines.
The significant point is that the Dwarves can surely count on unknown and ancient Arts and technics, which make the creation of anti-arrows nets (or other numerous things) easily possible.

I admit, though, that I would have never imagined that a scene of very few seconds, concerning ballistas, could have created a so deep and interesting debate about the very foundations of the Tolkien's Legendarium  :)

LordDainIronfoot:
It will take really great calculations and even finer craftsmanship but I do believe that Dwarves are able to make those Arrows with the proper mass distribution,shape and cuttings on the Arrows and proper material and can make that kind of weapon even if it wi not be with so big range but it is a ballista so it is not supposed to fly long ad Long Bow Arrows so 50-100 meters will be more than enough and plus the first meters the Arrow will be able to fly straight but only briefly not the whole  ! :-)
To summarize I believe that Dwarves have the skills and brains it takes to create that weapon and even more it.can work to some degree but still to be effective enough! :-)
Greetings mates! :-)

Walküre:
Also, I would like to address everyone who joined this discussion.

I saw that in the previous comments the matter has really become 'technical' and scientific, involving physical statements and debates on the general aerodynamic laws.

I just personally think that, though interesting these discussions could ever be, at the end of the day, speaking about the Tolkien's Universe, it could be really pointless and counterproductive having this kind of approach to these themes, mainly related to pure logic and scientific methods.
If one really wanted to see through the core and the deep Nature of this fictional World (the overall portrait), I think that a kind of natural 'suspension of logic' (pure logic) should be necessary, as it happens in most of the fantasy tales that are set in a apparently very realistic World.
Otherwise, you should necessarily question everything with that strictly logical approach, asking yourself why, given the general laws of Time, Space and Matter, the Elves are generally not affected by Time, how the Dwarves and the Númenóreans can live over 100 years, how can Giant Eagles are capable of thinking and speaking as sentient beings, or how can exist Lands in which nothing withers or rots, affected by Time...

As I also wrote on the Lore Corner once, I honestly don't regard pure and mathematical logic to be really the most suitable approach with which you should deal with these particular topics  :)

LordDainIronfoot:
Well I said in my first posts I said that wr shouldn't look too deep on faacts and logic since it is a fantasy magical world but few people continued to say that it wasn't possible from physics aspect since Middle Earth physics were like Real World ones and I decided to prove that with properl knowledge,skills and materials it is possible and quite believable ! :-) Thats why I explained to the best of my knowledge and abilities on logical scientific and engineering aspect,although I fo agree with you Walkure that we should look on it as a fantasy world as it is! :-)  Where nearly everything is possible! :-)

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