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Gandalf The Gray:

--- Zitat von: Fine am 27. Aug 2015, 08:04 ---I'm more concerned about where those ballista bolts will land ^^
Do they hit the elven army? That would decimate hundreds. Resulting in... quite a difficult situation. If the dwarfves have just killed many of his soldiers, how is Thranduils still suddenly OK with allying with them?
It's these sort of things that make scenes like this really seem like they were added simply because "it would look cool", and the creators did not really think them through. As others have pointed out, bringing those ballistas would have slowed Dáin's army down quite alot. I agree with many of you that bringing them makes him seem very prepared for fighting off the arrow-heavy elven army, which makes sense.

But I also think the movies do not really do justice to the relation between elves and dwarves in the third age, in my opinion they were alot less resentful towards each other. In the books, Dáin attacks the combined army of elves and Lake-men because he's trying to get the Arkenstone back for Thorin. He did not care what sort of army was holding the stone. I daresay, if the army besieging Erebor would have been a dwarven army (as outrageous as that may seem), Dáin would still have attacked if they refused to return the Arkenstone to Thorin. There are no mentions of conflict between dwarves and elves in the Second and Third Age (iirc), they actually had rather friendly Relations (see Eregion and Khazad-dûm).

Watching the trailer does make me exited for the Extended Cut but I am still sort of disappointed that most new scenes are simply "It looks cool, let's add that!" kind of scenes. But I am very very glad they gave Beorn some more screen time which is great.

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i think the big Goats can do the trick of draging those ballistas around xD

korner:

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Aug 2015, 10:38 ---Yes I am trying!have I said that I don't try!?

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When you tell others not to try convincing other people, you express that you don´t try to convince others - no matter if you write it down or not.


No one says the ballista is unrealistic. It´s the anti-arrow-ammo which is unrealistic... The ballista itself looks really cool, I´d only prefer it shooting "realistic" normal bolts on the enemy.



--- Zitat ---I think we were abel to prove that is quite posible,hard but possible to some degree!
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This is again YOUR opinion, not common opinion. Nothing was proved neither that it´s possible, nor that it´s 100% impossible.
It won´t ever be proved untill someone build that ballista in real to test it  :D (would be an awesome job!).


--- Zitat ---You can think whatever you want of me good or bad,my opinion is my opinon and I am not the only one who stood against you and korner so stop putting all the blame on me as always!I really had different opinion of Edain Team and it Fans,no I am not so sure of it!
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No one puts any blame on you. Don´t be insulted only because some else is different opinion than you.
How could we ever discuss any matter if no one could have different opinions without others feeling insulted?

Gnomi just told you: Don´t tell others not to do something that you do yourself. That´s it.

Gnomi:
Okay, one last comment from me:

--- Zitat ---Please make a difference between proving something and trying to force opinion on others!

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Well... I did it. But  just wanted to show you that we're doing the same as you. We were never trying to force an opinion, just trying to prove something. I have also given many points why (similarities of middleearth and the edda) and just wnated to prove something - not force an opinion.^^


--- Zitat ---you all hate the Movies and ME too
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I don't hate the movies - I just don't like them, that's still a difference. I also like many parts of the first hobbit movie.


--- Zitat ---WOW!I agree but I do not see how adding actually a pracical weapon like Ballista with somewhow theoretical ammunition makes it bad or something similar to a battleship!?Thats not a valid point at all!
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Just go bac to my comment above. Everyone sees things different. I just wanted to show you that some people perhaps would have no problem with that - but you have. In the same way we have problems with this curios ballista thing, while you don't have. Everyone sees things different. Everyone has different boarders. Just imagine that for me the ballista is as the spaceship for you. I have wrote everything else already in previous comments, especially the first one. People can like them, but I don't like them.


--- Zitat ---You never triyed to convince them that they are bad Gnomi but you just let your dislikenes of the Movie lead your actions!Just say you dislike it and doesnt suit you but do not involve physics and all possible matter in it
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As written by CragLord it is possible - but not in the way it is integrated in the movies and that's what I also said. I don't like the movies. But there are great scenes, but sadly only very few. Probably you're correct. But I can tell you: You're also doing the samething. Everyone does this. You let your love for dwarvs lead your actions. Believe me or not, but you're doing this. So we're basically doing exactly the same, but have different point of views.

We're all humen, we're all doing mistakes. I think that those ballistas don't fit and that (if you look at it from a realistic point of vew) wouldn't really be possible this way. (I don't say not possible at all - just that there are too many reasons against it)Many people have made multiplepoints - you're saying that they are wrong, we're saying that they're right. I think that it's not possible to be sure who's right and that's the great thing: We can have completely different opinions and none will ever be able to tell us who's right and wrong. :D
I know that it always causes problems when two different opinions clash and both sides have valid points. I'm a big fan of the edda and Tolkien was also a fan of the edda and made middleearth very similar to it. Therefore I think that we can make many comparisons between the edda and middleearth. And such things wouldn't be possible there without magic.


--- Zitat ---You can think whatever you want of me good or bad,my opinion is my opinon and I am not the only one who stood against you and korner so stop putting all the blame on me as always!
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Read my comment again. I never put all the blame on you. I just said that you're not better than us. I never said that you're doing things wrong - just that you're saying "You should stop doing this" or "You do this and it's bad!", but you do it the same way.
Does this mean I put the whole blame on you?
No. It just means that you should start looking at yourself. I know what I wrote and I know what you wrote and we both tried similar things, just from different points. If you read my previous comments carefully you'll notice that I never wrote: "You did everything wrong", but "everything you blame us for doing wrong are things you're also doing wrong", so I'm just telling you that we're on the same level and that's why I never wrote something like that in the beginning, but after you blaming us I wanted to show you that we're no worse than you. That's all.

LordDainIronfoot:
I tried to prove that the Ballsita and thier Ammo are possible to some degree and not so unrealistic!I tried to exaplin it and prove it not Covnince them to like the Movie or the Scene!!
There is a difference in those you know!Proving and tryig to convince! :) Something may be proven that is possible but that doesnt make you to like it more! :)
Yes to be absolutely proven it has to be build in real life but I think WETA wouldn't have inlucded those Arrow if they 100% not possible at least I think that way and as I and CragLord said few times above it is quite possible in theory and physical aspects! :)

Gandalf The Gray:

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Aug 2015, 09:51 ---Exactly you are absolutely right!The point is that the fact that you do not like it doesnt make it unbelieveable,inconviniet or impossible! :)
You can just say "I do not like it,it doesnt suit my taste and imagination of the battle" Thats all,not going all "It is stupid" ,"It is not possible from physics aspect,from Magical aspect" and next " It is not convinient" ! :)
Just express you opinion and say you don't like it,but dont try to convince other poeple not to like it too by saying that it is not possible and etc.! :)
Have a nice day! :) See you around mate! :) Greeting from the Lord of the Iron Hills! :)

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i think dain has a point  the fact that you do not like it doesnt make it unbelieveable,inconviniet or impossible and you were trying to convince poeple that this is stupid and not lorish

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