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LordDainIronfoot:

--- Zitat von: Gnomi am 27. Aug 2015, 11:00 ---Okay, one last comment from me:

--- Zitat ---Please make a difference between proving something and trying to force opinion on others!

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Well... I did it. But  just wanted to show you that we're doing the same as you. We were never trying to force an opinion, just trying to prove something. I have also given many points why (similarities of middleearth and the edda) and just wnated to prove something - not force an opinion.^^


--- Zitat ---you all hate the Movies and ME too
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I don't hate the movies - I just don't like them, that's still a difference. I also like many parts of the first hobbit movie.


--- Zitat ---WOW!I agree but I do not see how adding actually a pracical weapon like Ballista with somewhow theoretical ammunition makes it bad or something similar to a battleship!?Thats not a valid point at all!
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Just go bac to my comment above. Everyone sees things different. I just wanted to show you that some people perhaps would have no problem with that - but you have. In the same way we have problems with this curios ballista thing, while you don't have. Everyone sees things different. Everyone has different boarders. Just imagine that for me the ballista is as the spaceship for you. I have wrote everything else already in previous comments, especially the first one. People can like them, but I don't like them.


--- Zitat ---You never triyed to convince them that they are bad Gnomi but you just let your dislikenes of the Movie lead your actions!Just say you dislike it and doesnt suit you but do not involve physics and all possible matter in it
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As written by CragLord it is possible - but not in the way it is integrated in the movies and that's what I also said. I don't like the movies. But there are great scenes, but sadly only very few. Probably you're correct. But I can tell you: You're also doing the samething. Everyone does this. You let your love for dwarvs lead your actions. Believe me or not, but you're doing this. So we're basically doing exactly the same, but have different point of views.

We're all humen, we're all doing mistakes. I think that those ballistas don't fit and that (if you look at it from a realistic point of vew) wouldn't really be possible this way. (I don't say not possible at all - just that there are too many reasons against it)Many people have made multiplepoints - you're saying that they are wrong, we're saying that they're right. I think that it's not possible to be sure who's right and that's the great thing: We can have completely different opinions and none will ever be able to tell us who's right and wrong. :D
I know that it always causes problems when two different opinions clash and both sides have valid points. I'm a big fan of the edda and Tolkien was also a fan of the edda and made middleearth very similar to it. Therefore I think that we can make many comparisons between the edda and middleearth. And such things wouldn't be possible there without magic.


--- Zitat ---You can think whatever you want of me good or bad,my opinion is my opinon and I am not the only one who stood against you and korner so stop putting all the blame on me as always!
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Read my comment again. I never put all the blame on you. I just said that you're not better than us. I never said that you're doing things wrong - just that you're saying "You should stop doing this" or "You do this and it's bad!", but you do it the same way.
Does this mean I put the whole blame on you?
No. It just means that you should start looking at yourself. I know what I wrote and I know what you wrote and we both tried similar things, just from different points. If you read my previous comments carefully you'll notice that I never wrote: "You did everything wrong", but "everything you blame us for doing wrong are things you're also doing wrong", so I'm just telling you that we're on the same level and that's why I never wrote something like that in the beginning, but after you blaming us I wanted to show you that we're no worse than you. That's all.

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Agree with you!I ahve exaggarated a bit!
So I suggest to agree that we dissagree and make peace!As you said we all had valid point from fact point of view and lest say we are like 50/50 on how much that thing is possible!I never wished to star a War with you or anyone here I jsute backed my opinon with facts tring to prove it thats all! :)
I hope we have peace on the matter!Movies wer not al that bad and bad at the same time! :D
P.S. really as Walkure said who would ahve thought that a 2-3 sec scene with 1 Weapon coudlcreate such a war oof opinons :D

korner:

--- Zitat von: Gandalf The Gray am 27. Aug 2015, 11:02 ---i think dain has a point  the fact that you do not like it doesnt make it unbelieveable,inconviniet or impossible and you were trying to convince poeple that this is stupid and not lorish

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And you are trying to convince people the other direction. That doesn´t make anyone better or worse then the other.


--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Aug 2015, 11:01 ---I tried to prove that the Ballsita and thier Ammo are possible to some degree and not so unrealistic!I tried to exaplin it and prove it not Covnince them to like the Movie or the Scene!!
There is a difference in those you know!Proving and tryig to convince! :) Something may be proven that is possible but that doesnt make you to like it more! :)

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The use of proving something, is to convince others of your opinion. So if you tried to prove that the ammunition is relistic, you tried to convince me and others of taking it as realistic.

You can say whatever you want: you do the same like me or Gnomi, just the other way round.

Can you show me any part of any of my posts, where I tried to convince people to dislike the movie?? No you won´t, because I never did.
I only expressed my discontent about (in MY opinion) increase of unneccessary special effect scenes and features on the one hand, and the lack of character and story development in the movie on the other hand.
That´s my opinion and it will stay the same no matter whatever you say.
I do accept your opinion that you like those features, but please respect my opinion or Gnomis as well.



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--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Aug 2015, 11:08 ---Agree with you!I ahve exaggarated a bit!
So I suggest to agree that we dissagree and make peace!As you said we all had valid point from fact point of view and lest say we are like 50/50 on how much that thing is possible!I never wished to star a War with you or anyone here I jsute backed my opinon with facts tring to prove it thats all! :)
I hope we have peace on the matter!Movies wer not al that bad and bad at the same time! :D
P.S. really as Walkure said who would ahve thought that a 2-3 sec scene with 1 Weapon coudlcreate such a war oof opinons :D

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+1

I think we have discussed this matter now for already too long.

LordDainIronfoot:
I do respect yours and Gnomis opinion! :) And as I said proving something doesn't it make good or make you like it! :)
But now enough with that,as I said lets agree that neither side can aboslutely prove that is like 100% possible or not,so we may go with a tie! XD
And I do hope that we will see more character development but I think the time for that is not in Battle but with all rather pointless scenes and characters like Alfrid,Hilda and here faminist followers trying to fight Special war bred Orcs(and not to mention succeding :D ) and even the extra Family of Bard and all the time spended on them,as well as 30 min of Legolas( I am fine with him being in the Movie but he should have played smaller role more modest one) and all this wasted while so much better characters could ahve been developed and more battle showed after its title is The Battle of the Five Armies! :)
P.S. I hope we will see some Normal Arrows for those Ballistas and how they were brought on the battlefield! :)
Greetings! :)

korner:
Agree. Even in Battles they should have set different focus.

One example: The dwarven Phalanx against the charging orks.

When I saw the dwarves building up the Phalanx I thought "yeah cool, great thing!". But then come those foolish suizide-elves jumping over that awesome phalanx, destroying all battle tactics for nothing, only to get one moment of "cool" Matrix-like move.
Wouldn´t it be more awesome to see masses of orcs crushing into the shieldwall, Orks dieing by the hundreds like flies and the dwarves holding ground against waves of enemies while the elves rain arrows on the orks from behind the shieldwall??
Why did they sacrifice this potentially epic battle only to get one more "cool" special effect? Elves don´t commit suicide by the hundreds in Tolkiens Middle Earth...
I nearly exploded from anger in the cinema...

Same like in first movie when the dwarves run from the Orks into that hidden cave and the Riders of Rivendell suddenly attack the Orks:
Couldn´t they shorten the scene where Radagast rides his chariott for several minutes over the fields by lets say 20 seconds so that we get time to actually show more than a glimpse on the Riders of Rivendell crushing the Orks?
Why don´t they show us those awesome Riders for more then 1-2 seconds??

This is the main thing I dislike about battle scenes in the Hobbit movies: they are all made with VERY short cuts (e.g. the escape out of Goblintown: you see heads being cut off Orks, but so quick you don´t see who did it, how he did it...).

Compared to the Lord of the Rings:
Battle scenes show 1 person for longer time, you can actually see what he is doing. For example Boromirs last stand, Aragorn against Mollock, Aragorn against Lurtz and so on.

LordDainIronfoot:
I agree on all of it! :)
It would have been much cooler to show the teamwork between the Dwarves and Elves and how combined they are unstopable!The Orcs should have crushed in the Shield Wall like waves in the rocks while the Elves would ahve drowned them in volleys of Arrows and only then all should ahve joined int close combat!Although a cool moment with the Evles jumping it wasnt so good as it all could have been!
And most certainly more important characters should have got time like Thradnuil and Dain may be fighting against a Troll that just headbutting Orcs with his forehead :D And Thradnuil taking out one as well or Wargs!!And Tohrin Company Dwalin,Balin and Fili and Kili should ahve get much more screen time in Battle as the best Warriors ain Thorins Comapny but no we all had to see the struggle of Alfrid the Useless and Hilda the Faminst and Bard the loving Father!!
I really have big hopes in that EE and I pray that PJ will not dissapoint me! :(

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