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--- Zitat von: Fine am 16. Sep 2015, 20:42 ---I always thought Sauron was not banished (actively) from Dol Guldur but instead retreated on his own accord in order to deceive the White Council into thinking they had weakened him. But instead he spent some time in the East and then rebuilt Barad-dûr (and the whole land of Mordor), commencing his war on the West by attacking Ithilien (and thus, Gondor).
I may be wrong, but this is how I recall it from reading the source material. (This is just off the top of my head, I did not read anything up before posting)
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Yes, I agree with you.
And, this is also what Tolkien tells us in the Appendices: Sauron deceives the White Council and makes his retreat seem to be like a defeat, avoiding a direct involvement.
But, still from this source, it's also possible to infer that a sort of Battle (magical or not) between the White Council (Galadriel is thus included) and Sauron (or/and his evil forces) took place anyway :)
Yes, according to the film's plot, it's not a complete Banishment.
But, when Galadriel says at the end that the Spirit of Sauron 'endured', it might be a subtle hint of the real purpose and intention of Galadriel in the confrontation with Sauron: she might have tried to banish him forever into the Void, the same fate of Morgoth, but, of course, eventually failed, being it something definitely beyond the Powers of the Elves.
The only complete Banishment was done exclusively by the Valar, when they threw Morgoth out of the Walls of the Night.
--- Zitat von: Der Dunkle König am 16. Sep 2015, 20:53 ---That's correct, Fine. Quote from "Of the Rings of power":
" [...], and drove Sauron from his hold, and Mirkwood for a brief while was made wholesome again.
But their stroke was too late. For the Dark Lord had forseen it, and he had long prepared all his movements; [...] Therefore his flight was but a feint, and he soon returned, and ere the Wise could prevent him he re-entered his kingdom in Mordor and reared once again the dark towers of Barad-dûr."
So Sauron didn't really try to defend himself against the Council, he wanted them to believe that they banished him.
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Yes, this is the exact source.
Though, it's not specifically stated if there were battles or not, or which members of the White Council showed up.
Anyway, what I wrote in the previous comment refers specifically and exclusively to the BOTFA very own plot.
Something obviously different and apart from the canonical lore.
Sir_Stig:
I think the overall sins that the movies made are that they were made with audiences and merchandising in mind, as opposed to just making the best adaption that they could. It would be cool if PJ released a directors cut of the movie that was more like the fan cut version, but changing stuff like mermaid Galadriel to the original ideas pre Guillermo.
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--- Zitat von: Sir_Stig am 22. Sep 2015, 17:15 ---I think the overall sins that the movies made are that they were made with audiences and merchandising in mind, as opposed to just making the best adaption that they could. It would be cool if PJ released a directors cut of the movie that was more like the fan cut version, but changing stuff like mermaid Galadriel to the original ideas pre Guillermo.
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Then, I seriously think that Mermaid/Seaweed Galadriel might be replaced by an angelic concept, or, better, a Sublime form like in FOTR 8-)
Sublime = Immensely Beautiful and Dreadful at the same time ;)
hoho96:
--- Zitat ---Then, I seriously think that Mermaid/Seaweed Galadriel might be replaced by an angelic concept, or, better, a Sublime form like in FOTR
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Which was one of the best immediate dramatic character change I've ever watched on movies.
On the other hand the Seaweed was one of the lamest CGI effect I've ever seen on movies [ugly]
TiberiusOgden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo_ZREXaD2E
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