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Thartom:
But one more thing: Wasnt it said that Saruman got his Palantir when the actual governor gave him the keys to Orthanc? The movies may change some things for making the story more interesting, but I´m pretty sure that in Dol Guldur was never a Palantir.
And about the magic: First, i only thought about the late third age. Of course there would be by far more and better visual effects in a "correct" film about the first age (only think about the dragon-sizes-picture), but in the third age there was no need and therefore no use of spectacular magic.
Second, i am not sure if Galadriel really destroyed the ruins with sheer magic. Somebody else brought up the idea, that it was Galadriel and her followers who destroyed the remains of Sauron´s fortress.
And at last about the istari and their restrictions: Wouldnt that mean that the five isaris could have simply walked to Mordor and defeat the Dark Lord in a direct confrontation? I mean Sauron was even more than a "normal" thread, he was born of the mistakes the Valar made in handling Melkor.
And if they could use their power against higher beings, why didnt Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast stick together to kill the balrog? Because if i remember it right, the White Council was quite worried about that thing living in Moria.

ThorinsNemesis:
Well PJ sometimes changes the lore quite a bit, it's not unreasonable to think a palantir could have been in Dol Guldur, at least in Jackson's interpretation.

Thartom:
When i hear "PJs interpretation" i must think about Smaug´s death-scene, Alfred´s moments and a troll imitating a battering ram, but also about a melting dwarvenstatue, a company of dwarves singing at a fireplace and Gollum playing the riddle-game with Bilbo.
Let´s just say that some of PJs changes and ideas are good and some of them are bad. For me a Palantir in Dol Guldur sounds like a bad idea because it destroys the great feeling of uniqueness that the Orthanc-Palantir has.

ThorinsNemesis:
^^Well everyone has their own opinions: you don't like the idea of a palantir in Dol Guldur, but I like it very much  :).

bookworm1138:
i like so far how the Edain team has striven to make a good balance between the books and the movies, while deferring to the books in points of contention. but this to me is kind of like the Aragorn vs. Sauron battle from Return of the King that was scraped and a troll (Mollok, or "the Sauron troll" as i call him) was placed over Sauron, or Arwen going to Helm's Deep with the Elven army.

i know that, in the Hobbit movies, PJ and Co. rewrote the War in the North and the fall of Minas Ithil in order to have their little "Nazgul tomb" scene. therefore, this could not be the Ithil-stone since, in PJ's world, the Nazgul never besieged Minas Ithil after the fall of Angmar: they just sat in their "tombs" twiddling their thumbs because they couldn't die and the screenwriter ruined the lore!.

however, saying that this is, by some miracle, the Ithil-stone that we see in this scene, it begs one to reason why the White Council didn't take it with them after driving Sauron out of Dol Guldur (we see in the Return of the King movie, when Aragorn looks into the palantir of Minas Anor, Sauron in his armored form holding the Ithil-stone).

in conclusion, this was a potentially problematic scene that PJ and Co. thankfully had the proper sense to abstain from...if only they had the foresight to be as tempered with the other problematic scenes that made it into the final cut

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