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Heroes - how powerful should they be?

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Lord of Mordor:
Hey guys,

we'd like to talk to you about the power level of heroes in Edain. For version 4.0, we have greatly weakened heroes compared to previous versions. We did this because we received a lot of feedback that heroes were so powerful that they felt unfair and overbearing, which can't be our goal. We wanted heroes to shine when used in combination to normal troops, with the troops guarding the hero and the hero supporting the army. They should not be one-man armies, but they should still have a significant influence on the battlefield if you combine them with your soldiers and play them well.

At the same time, we're aware that we've a significant shift in hero power and it's very possible that we didn't get it quite right the first time. Heroes are still meant to be a core part of the game und shouldn't be so weak that they're not worth their high cost. That's why we wanted to ask you guys a couple of questions:

1) Which heroes are your favorites? Which do you find so useful and/or fun that you try to recruit them as often as possible?

2) Are there any heroes you almost never use because you find them too weak or simply not fun?

3) In general, are heroes fun to use and does it feel good to play with them? Or do you find them rather boring and not all that important?

4) How do you like the health of heroes? Our goal was that a hero couldn't simply walk into an army all on his own and survive, but on the other hand he shouldn't die in seconds either if you pay a bit of attention and support them with troops. Do you think this goal was achieved or are there heroes which are too healthy / not healthy enough?

5) How do you like the melee damage of heroes? Do you find heroes appropriately effective against most targets (including monsters and other heroes) or would you prefer a lower or higher melee damage in general?

6) Same question for ranged hero damage. If heroes can switch between melee and ranged like Faramir or Lurtz, do you find both modes useful?

7) Finally, we'd like to discuss hero abilities, using Gandalf as an example because he has a plethora of damage spells. First off, a general question: Do you think Gandalf is useful and powerful enough for his cost, or do you think his spells are now too weak?

8) Do you think Gandalf's wizard blast is too weak, too strong or just right at the moment? This ability has its own unique problem. In general, we feel that it could be allowed to deal pretty high damage because its radius is rather small. However, troops often clump together on one spot in this game, which is something we can't change. So if wizard blast is strong enough to kill one group of soldiers, it could also kill ten groups who are all standing on the same spot. Of course, one could say that it's now up to the enemy to position his troops in such a way that wizard blast can't hit all of them. This is difficult, however, because troops automatically clump. What do you think about this? If a Gondor soldier has 400 health, a Dol Amroth soldier has 1000 and a Citadel Guard has 3000, how much damage should wizard blast deal in your mind?

9) The same question has to be asked for Word of Power. Should it destroy armies entirely or weaken them without destroying them? In theory, a rank 10 ability from a hero for 3000 resources might be allowed to destroy an army of cheap infantry. After all, Gondor soldiers only cost 200 per group. In this case, they'd require heavy armor to survive. On the other hand, it's not very strategically challenging to simply destroy an army with the press of one button. The challenge would be bringing the hero to rank 10 in the first place. However, once that is reached you could frequently force a Mordor player to rebuild his entire army from scratch, which could be frustrating or even decide the match in a single click. Would that be an exciting possibility to turn the game around to you or unfairly punishing? How strong would you like the Word of Power to be, and do you find it useful at the moment?

Thanks in advance for your feedback :)

Sir Palmdiggity888:
Hello

I find my self playing with Gondor the most and I find their heroes to be a bit lacking in power , Beregond specifically if feel he dies far too quickly and can't hold his own. I understand he he is a low cost hero but I like the look of him and I think an elete tower guard should hold his own a bit better. Also in relation to that , I think it would be terrific if the grey company would remain for the duration of their lives.

LordDainIronfoot:
Hello! :) Well as you have probably guessed my favourite Hero/es is/are Lord Dain Ironfoot of the Iron Hills and King Dain II Ironfoot of Erebor followed by Durin the Deathless and Thorin Oakenshield and Thorin III Stonehelm! :) And other are Arvedui,Aranarth and Thranduil! :)
As for changes well I think Durin is perfect and doesnt need any changes! While Lord Dain need a little bit more dmg and health while King Dain somewhat less health ,more def and the dmg is fine! :) Thorin is great I have nothing against him,while Thorin III needs may be better skills and somewhat stronger leadership thouigh I love his rune Powers in both versions :)
Now for the Heroes of te Demo, I too find Gondor and Rohan Heroes a little bit too weak , ithink they need may be a little higher deffence while the dmg is fine and Boromir some better powers,but in a matter of def,dmg and armor I think the Game modes do the work so basicly I see no big problem as they are now but may be some powers can be better! :)
Isengard and Mordor hmm I have played less with them and am not so familliar with their Heroes strenths and weaknesses but I must say Sauron is indeed awesome and have nothing against him,Witch King is fine too while Saruman may need some buust in melee dmg and health!Uruk Heroes I like Isengard heroes each helps with something and are not ovepowered but like and slightly stronger Urik as they should be so for now I think this is it from me :D

DropItLikeItsDogg:
Saruman is my fav hero he isn't useless but he should have more power & health atleast wizard blast and fireball should have more power, sometimes that makes not fun after you pay 3000 and kill by a cheap hero.. Gandalf & Saruman the same status, wizards are a little bit weak.

dior23:
hi,
i ithink heroses should have big powers as boromil kill many uruks before he fall and as the book said his body has more than ten arrows.legolas perfect and talaented arrows to are deadly.aragorn's anduril and perfect fighting perception.and more that are really heroes they are powerfull when it needs and they encourage their army.also this fact contains and more powerfull beings as gandalf,galadriel and more,this older and powerfull with knowlege beings should be more powerfull but not as much as to win every army alone accept from the ring heroes.also power beings together with their armies should be the best combination,also hobbits must have something special  to their powers and help armies i think.

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