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ziqing:

--- Zitat von: Morgul Orc am  2. Jul 2015, 09:54 ---
--- Zitat von: ziqing am  1. Jul 2015, 03:13 ---I think Mordor trolls are not very useful now.They are expensive, easy to get killed(vulnerable to arrows and pike, recover really slow even after reaching lv2). And in 4.1 their damage to buildings are reduced. In my game experience, I seldom use trolls in real game, Mordor orcs and siege weapons are already perfect combination, I will always choose to build slave camp first in combination with armory in basement to reduce the cost of army.
In my opinions, for now trolls are only useful when they get armored and reach lv2, which will require Sauron's influence twice(one on troll cages, one on slaughter house). Maybe we should give trolls an ability to eat orcs to recover, that will make them a little more durable on battlefield. Actually I think maybe we shouldn't have bare trolls any more and let trolls get armors when they are created.

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There are many concerns about the Trolls. I have to agree with you on the matter that slave camps are used more than slaughter houses. I like the idea of making Mountain Trolls and Attack Trolls a separated unit because Mountain Trolls in general are weak. They are not for siege like the powerful Olog hai but more as a labor kind of Troll like pushing siege materials and opening the gates of the Black Gate like in the film.

I'll give you my perspective on this matter.



Mountain Trolls:

Since Mordor doesn't have Economy boosting powers or upgrades I think that the Mountain Troll can collect a whole tree (wood) as a resource for Mordor which give the player a little extra resources and if it is possible he could be combined with a catapult to put bigger boulder on the catapult like in the films instead of a Troll catapult. However Mountain Trolls have to be very vulnerable to arrows and pike and they also shouldn't do much damage to structures.


Attack Trolls/Olog hai:

These Trolls should come armed with a mace and should do good damage to enemies but do not deal much damage to structures. However with Sauron's influence on the Troll cage you will unlock the siege hammers upgrade for the  Attack Trolls which when purchased it will arm the Attack Troll with the siege hammer instead of the mace. The siege hammer for the Attack Troll works similar to the Dwarf siege hammer upgrade where now the Attack Trolls can deal good damage to enemy units and their structures at the same time. There will also be upgrade at level 3 Troll cage similar to Gondor's Horse shields upgrade which makes the attack Trolls less vulnerable to pike or arrows or even both.

I also thought of having Hero Troll units that you can only have 3 in play. These Trolls will replace Molluk and will come wielding a large sword. They are very powerful specially against Heroes.

I like the Olog hai variety in this picture specially the one on the middle (Molluk) and the one on the right. http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131203111353/lotr/images/1/19/Trolls.jpg

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Now after some thought I actually like this idea

Morgul Orc:

--- Zitat ---Now after some thought I actually like this idea
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I made this because I want to make more use of Trolls and Slaughter houses. I think the Mountain Troll should have an ability to collect trees and rocks to the Siege Works to give Mordor extra resources and can also be a minor attack unit against basic swordsmen. The Attack Troll idea I mentioned makes more sense because in general a mace is not meant for buildings but only against units and the seige hammer will be good against both buildings and units like in the films. Molluk was a random powerful Troll from Gorgoroth who had his eyes on Aragorn which also Sauron had the eye on but Molluk as a Hero doesn't make much sense since you can create him easily in Create a Hero. I suggested to make Elite Hero unit Troll that only 3 can be recruited at the same time. These Elite Trolls will have an ability maybe stomp or jump ability and will be powerful against almost everything specially Heroes. The Troll shields upgrade will give the Attack Trolls 50% armor against arrows and 25% armor against pikes.

ziqing:

--- Zitat von: Morgul Orc am 11. Jul 2015, 22:51 ---
--- Zitat ---Now after some thought I actually like this idea
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I made this because I want to make more use of Trolls and Slaughter houses. I think the Mountain Troll should have an ability to collect trees and rocks to the Siege Works to give Mordor extra resources and can also be a minor attack unit against basic swordsmen. The Attack Troll idea I mentioned makes more sense because in general a mace is not meant for buildings but only against units and the seige hammer will be good against both buildings and units like in the films. Molluk was a random powerful Troll from Gorgoroth who had his eyes on Aragorn which also Sauron had the eye on but Molluk as a Hero doesn't make much sense since you can create him easily in Create a Hero. I suggested to make Elite Hero unit Troll that only 3 can be recruited at the same time. These Elite Trolls will have an ability maybe stomp or jump ability and will be powerful against almost everything specially Heroes. The Troll shields upgrade will give the Attack Trolls 50% armor against arrows and 25% armor against pikes.

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Maybe you should start a new thread to call more attention on your idea. Trolls and Molluk deserve some change. If trolls are not to be massively produced like regular unit then it should be a elite unit, and I never like Molluk, he is boring and useless

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