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Elrond - Lord of Imladris

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Eldalf:
But Elrond's foresight is more integral to him than Galadrial's mirror. It would bug me to the point I would need to mod it just to not be irritated by it and as a result I would no longer be able to play the mod online. Elrond's gift of foresight is entirely crucial to how he became the lord of Rivendell. It is hinted in some of the stuff that it was only by virtue of this gift that he was able to guide Gil-Galad into seeing Annatar as Sauron. Take the power from Cirdan give it to Elrond, far more fitting...

One thing about Elrond's flood, take the silly horses out of it. Those were something added by Gandalf and they kinda look absurd.

TiberiusOgden:

--- Zitat von: Eldalf am 19. Jul 2015, 18:06 ---It would bug me to the point I would need to mod it just to not be irritated by it and as a result I would no longer be able to play the mod online.

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Sorry, but as a Edain moderator I have to deny such stupid argument, because in that case it will be only your problem. If I should think this way in general, so I wouldn't do anything.
I really do not know what should write to you right now, because I am completely shocked.

LordDainIronfoot:
I support your idea completely!
Elrond should have a Mount since he is a Noble and Famous Elven Lord and beign abel to mount symbolizes that!About the Power of his Ring of Power I like the concepts of all 3 to differ and him geting the healing it will represnt his way of living and leading trying to pretect his kin from any harm in Imladris! :) About his Armor looks I agree that he should have first his AuJ Armor and alter LV 10 BoFA Armor from DG as for his Last Alliance Armor its is most fiting for him in the Spell Last Alliance!Since he whore it so many thousands years ago and is kinda outdated if I may say it that way!While his Hobbit Movie Armors represnt what he used during the Third Age in which the timeline is set and I think it feels right this way and is more fiting for him to use those Armos! :) But instead his Skill to Give Exp to a hero I think he should have his Foresight Ability which he has in the MOvies too! :)
So basicly I am 101% (I added teh 1 on purposse not by mistake this tiem Tiberius :D ) support you on your ideas about Elrond and the Elven Rings! :)

Eldalf:
Well my argument is that the lore itself puts tremendous focus onto that aspect of Elrond, his foresight is one of the things that enabled him to so well serve Gil-Galad as a counselor, It also had other powerful applications in the second age, to do with the alliance with Numenor.

"Thus Narsil came in due time to the hand of Valandil, Isildur’s heir, in Imladris; but the blade was broken and its light was extinguished, and it was not forged anew. And Master Elrond foretold that this would not be done until the Ruling Ring should be found again and Sauron should return; but the hope of Elves and Men was that these things might never come to pass."

It is even hinted that his support for Frodo taking the ring to Mordor was based on an instance of foresight as well.

In this sense, some of the most important actions of Elrond in the Lord of the Rings books are actions he does from his ability to perceive what shall be. He makes ready to reforge Narsil, he sides with Frodo as ring-bearer, he calls together the kindred of the Dunedain to form the Grey Company and sends them hence. These are all actions that indicate an unnatural ability of prelopsis.

In Tolkien's letters he talks of how Elrond “saw many things and read many hearts” and so it would seem that other than as a healer the primary role of Elrond is as a soothsayer.

That is why I have such an emotive reaction over this, removing the ability is a substantial departure from the lore. It would be one thing to say let's remove all heroes abilities that reveal the map, but your not, you are instead talking about removing it from an individual who has one of the greatest claims to it.

In fact, when Gandalf talks about the limits of foresight, it is not himself, or Saruman, or even Galadrial he refers to, it is to Elrond. Within the universe itself amongst the wise, it is to Elrond that we have a reference to the greatest level of foresight and predilection towards prophecy.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: TiberiusOgden am 13. Jul 2015, 22:27 ---This thread is primarily about Elrond and his skills.

Firstly  - Elrond's role. I always thought that he is strong hero supporter and secondarily unit supporter + ring hero. His abilities don't correspond with mass slayer role, such role have for instance Smaug as a big creature, Mollock as a terrible monster or Gandalf as a powerful wizard. So generally we can say that Elrond is hero supporter.

Elrond's abilities:

1) Loud waters fury
Elrond as a lore master from Imladris has river Bruinen under his control. When he becomes more wiser, his power over river is getting stronger.
So on level 1 water blast in targeting area with one horse, on level 3 two horses, on level 5 three horses, on level 7 four horses and finally on level 10 five water horses.
Spell deals more and more damage and for still larger and larger area, but it isn't so strong like ultimate spell from spellbook - there are seven horses and large area.
If isn't technically possible work with "horses" in this skill, so there can be firstly only water blast and for instance from level 5 his normal spell (there are two horses permanently I think), but logically effect (damage etc.) should be stronger as well.

3) Elrond's advice
Small amount of experience to hero
Iconinc ability from previous version

5) Armour of high elves
Passive ability - bonus effect for friendly units
I think that he had or we will have 25 % armour for him, 25 % faster experience and armour for units or something like that

7) Mount/dismount
Lord of Imladris is able to ride a horse
We know that he is able ride a horse quite a long time, since days of Arnor ...


and in the first Hobbit movie we can see him as a leader of Imladris cavalry:


... also it fits into the faction, Imladris will have melee cavalry and only Glorfindel and Arwen are able to ride.
Don't forget that Imladris will be the second "most cavalry faction" in the game and only two heroes there are able to ride a horse?
By the way - he is able to cast "horses" and he isn't able to ride on normal horse?

10) Vilya's restoration
Elrond is greatest healer and his abilities are supported by ring of preservation. Power of the elven ring helps Elrond to completely heal nearby allies and refresh ability timer of friendly heroes
Just look at it more closely:


- Bearer of Narya is Cirdan for Edain universe, because Gandalf is mass slayer and his abilities are sufficient and come from vanilla game. Ring of fire supports friendly units (their attack and armor) which is lore accurate. Cirdan has such spell on first level.
- Galadriel wears ring of water - Nenya on level 10, which protects her realm (heroes, units, buildings in wide area are protected and invulnerable). Again - very lore accurate matter.
- Vilya, ring of air, is in Imladris. Elrond in former version on level 10 is able to summon tornado for some time and that's a problem ... because we know, that elven rings of power aren't for battle purposes but only for preservation/protection. 
I feel that it isn't suitable and lore accurate (in comparison to Nenya or Narya which have brilliant implementations in the mod) and mainly - I think that his role is (or will be) very useful hero supporter, but destructive whirlwind doesn't correspond with his role.
So new ability could be effect of the Elven ring, mass heal and recovering of abilities for heroes, because it's mighty ability and Elrond isn't powerful sorcerer, so in that case his healing skills are supported by the Elven ring.

So overall effects for three Elven rings of power will be following:

Narya - supports
Nenya - protects
Vilya - heals


Concerning design:

First four levels Elrond has bathrobe ... but Elrond is known for his love to armour:


So since level 5 armour from the first Hobbit movie: 


.... and on level ten his DG armour.


I suppose that everyone likes Elrond with his golden armor from Dol Guldur, which is more elegant than his Last aliance armor. I thought that he can have golden armor on level 10 with some resistance against magic (because it seems that he is quite immune against ringwraiths attack or presense of sauron, but it's only speculation).


Generally his last alliance armour should be for Arnor and he should be included in Last Alliance spell there.

http://en.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,30925.0.html
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Great work, Tiberius and Tienety, and a very smart and useful type of integration between your former two concepts.

Just one thing, I am concerned about the flood.
I really like its concept, and I want it to be implemented, but I'm not sure if the Edain Team would accept it; shouldn't a level 1 power remain a 'moderately weak' and basic power for all the duration of the game?
If it gets stronger and enhanced, wouldn't there be a risk of overpowering?
I would then consider also a gradual slowing of the restoring time of the power, in the course of the levelling up of Elrond.

Anyway, I like the concept in its entirety, and, most importantly, the correct and lore accurate display of the powers of the Three Rings (Vilya in this case).
My motto is: anything but whirlwinds  xD

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