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Galadriel
TiberiusOgden:
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 8. Aug 2015, 10:50 ---Good job! I agree with you: the gift ability has to be available earlier.
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I think that everyone here agreed. Cause in comparison with Sauron's influence or Dwarven rune keepers it has no sense to have this ability later than at level three.
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 8. Aug 2015, 10:50 ---I would just swap Vision in the mirror and Strength of mind
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I don't. I think that in the middle should have something against enemy (although it will be only one ability against enemy) and it corresponds with her blessed form, who has skill against enemy at level five as well.
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 8. Aug 2015, 10:50 ---because I think the former abiltiy needs to come sooner, or at least not too late. Why? Because the longer the game lasts the more interesting is this spell: it's a pity to have to wait for a level 7 Galadriel to be able to start clearing the fog, right?
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But we can say such argument about everything ... everything deserves to be sooner. :P
I've only compared it with Cirdan who has similar and very useful spell at level ten. Because that skill can be very useful in the multiplayer game and due to balance I've moved it at higher level.
And don't worry - it will have standard cooldown and radius is the like Elrond had in the vanilla game. It means that when you use that skill thrice on the map for two player - you will be able to see everything important.
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 8. Aug 2015, 16:00 ---Very interesting analysis, the Gifts of Lórien will be available sooner, making Galadriel immediately 'useful' for your heroes on the battlefield, in line with her role as a Hero Supporter.
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Exactly. It was Tienety's idea. ;)
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 8. Aug 2015, 16:00 ---I also agree with the changing of the Glance in the Mirror power, there already is an ability concerning the Mirror and possible negative effects can't be acceptable, in my opinion.
The Strength of Mind ability will represent perfectly her formidable telepathic powers, capable of helping the people who need Hope and Courage, and revealing and repulsing the evil intentions of the enemies.
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Yes, I really like it too. It's mix of effects but I removed bonus or negative effect for armour and attack - cause it has every hero ... I think skills recovering or "speed effect" represent skill much more better. :)
Also "Memory of Laurerin and Telperion" will be enhanced version of this spell. And mainly - she is still hero supporter, her role is the same, but at level 5 as a normal Galadriel and as a Galadriel blessed will have something against enemy.
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 8. Aug 2015, 16:00 ---It's possible that her Foresight ability will only be available on level 7, since we are talking about the most powerful ability of that kind in the game 8-)
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I think so. It was second Tienety's idea. :P
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 8. Aug 2015, 16:00 ---Galadriel is mainly a Hero Supporter, so, given her pivotal role in the whole faction (Lothlórien and Mirkwood), I hope that the Edain Team will make her abilities really useful and decisive for your heroes; she is the most powerful and expensive hero of her faction, she has to be necessarily fundamental and 'attractive' as all the leaders of the other factions.
Galadriel is the Guardian of Lothlórien and protects her realm
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Yes, honestly - she was always very problematic hero with problematic concept ... since ... since the first version. But it seems that we are finally on the very good way. :)
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 8. Aug 2015, 16:00 ---Regarding her primary attack against units, I hope that she will have her conceptual and characteristic white blast from distance with a knock back effect (as in the Edain Mod 3.8.1); Alatar's previous attack is interesting, a knock back effect from distance
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Yes, Galadriel without knockback is like ... I don't know - Gandalf without wizard blast? She has knockback effect from the beginning and every important hero has knockback attack - Witch king, Sauron etc. and in the Lorien only Grimbeorn will have such effect. And honestly - it's only effect, it's not supposed to be strong, but attractive. ;)
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 9. Aug 2015, 01:15 ---I like very much the concept of Blessed Galadriel, the fact that she gives resistance to Magic will make her really unique
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Exactly - as I said bonus for attack/armor provides everyone and it won't be unique. Also in the Lorien Haldir will provide such kind of bonus and Thranduil will have very strong leadership. It fits for them - they are army leaders but not someone who is walking through the battlefiedl barefoot and with long robe.
Mainly - Tolkien described her as a
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so logically resistance to magic for her and for units fits perfectly. 8-)
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 9. Aug 2015, 01:15 ---But, I must tell you, I definitely like more 'Memories of Laurelin and Telperion' than 'Light of Eärendil' ;)
When Galadriel refuses the One Ring, she accepts her Destiny and she is more than ever closed to Valinor, emanating its Splendour (captured in her legendary hair).
The Two Trees of Valinor are the source of all the Splendour and Sorrows of the Ancient Times, source of the Silmarils and of the Sun and the Moon.
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Yes, why not. Nice reference to the First age.
--- Zitat von: CragLord am 9. Aug 2015, 01:37 ---My absolyte support, keep polishing this idea/topic. :)
your analysis/thread is one of the best I have ever read (if not the best).
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Thanks. It's supposed to be. xD
--- Zitat von: CragLord am 9. Aug 2015, 01:37 ---Can't wait for that mini upgrades. :P ;)
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You are not alone. For instance me too :P ...
Adrigabbro:
Com'on, you got what I meant. xD
Of course every relevant spell deserves to come sooner, but we're talking about a spell that can ultimately reveal the whole map. I mean the more you use this spell, the better it gets and that's why I think it deserves to come sooner.
Still, you have a point: it depends on the size that is revealed: if the area is as large as a castle, it would be brutally overpowered to get it early. On the contrary, I do believe that Vsiion in the Mirror and Strength of Mind need to be swapped. ;)
TiberiusOgden:
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 9. Aug 2015, 22:00 ---if the area is as large as a castle
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Yes it is. xD
That's reason why I think that player should wait little and play primarily with scouts.
Also as I said - she needs something against enemy heroes sooner (in the middle) - at least slow down them as I suggested in the "Strength of mind spell", because with her Aoe attack will be extremely vulnerable against heroes and monsters. It's logical - she can't deal with single and strong target.
By the way map revealing spell has nice kind of balance. xD
Against AI it's useless but in multiplayer game it can be very useful.
Walküre:
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 9. Aug 2015, 22:00 ---
Still, you have a point: it depends on the size that is revealed: if the area is as large as a castle, it would be brutally overpowered to get it early.
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Yes, I think you have answered yourself :P
And I think it too this way.
But everybody here is obviously entitled to its own opinion :)
LordDainIronfoot:
I personally likr and support Tiberius ideas !I think that thanks to those ideas the Blessed Galadriel will be much more conceptual and connected with her Normal Form! :)
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