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Maiar-Form?

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helloa2134:

--- Zitat von: ThaneWulfgharn am 16. Jul 2015, 18:58 ---Maybe I didn't write clearly - The idea isn't that the Wizards "get the ring and become Maiar-Forms".

The idea is that they become "Maiar Forms" without the Ring, i.e. the Valar unleash their powers (through final level research from the palantir spellbook)

For example, Thorin, becoming king,  has the best dwarven-crafted items, therefore, he is very strong in combat.

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I understand what you mean, but the Valar would NEVER let the Istari have their full powers as a Maia whilst in Middle Earth (even Gandalf the White isn't as sublime as Olorin in Valinor.)

The other problem is that, if every faction has an ultimate-hero palantir skill, it removes the uniqueness of Mordor's "Power of Past Ages," which is at the moment one of the most unique spells in the mod.  The powers become boring and the different spell books for the various factions start to feel too similar.

A similar system would also have to be found for the Iron Hills and Erebor.

Eldalf:
The thing is, the Istari were expressly forbidden from ever retaking their form's to directly contest Sauron.  There is a reason that they were in the form of men, it was to ensure that they could never do as Sauron had done and don a fair face and seduce men and elves. Likewise, the limits to their powers were intentional. In fact it could be reasonable to believe that the greatest of the Eldar were mightier in direct power than the Wizards, because fundamentally, the Istari were meant to not be able to contest with the Children of Eru. It could be summed up with there being an incompatibility with Hroa and Fea, Elves such as Galadrial and Elrond would be more in tune with their powers as those powers are a consequence of their soul and body. Gandalf and Saruman in contrast would be more limited, their souls being forced into an unnatural body, in a similar way to how Sauron and Morgoth became intrinsically linked to the forms they wore as they invested more of themselves, however in the process their power became increasingly less, Morgoth once mightier than his kin was left less than the weakest by the time of his final fall, as he had become more tightly bound to his form. Likewise the Istari should probably be much weaker than they are in game, they are not supposed to fight a war, they are supposed to advise others who do!

Gandalf The Gray:
come on man this is can be a what if gandalf takes his maiar form and what if saruman takes his maiar form.

helloa2134:
I don't think the team is going to find that convincing. They won't add the mechanic if it is immensely against the lore.  And, as I said earlier,  making the mechanic universal across factions is boring.

Lord of Mordor:
As others have already said, this would be a big violation of the lore, so it's not something we plan on doing. To be fair, Gorthaur is against the lore as well so we're not always 100% consistent here, but superpowered forms like that still aren't something we want to give to every Maia. With Sauron, it's a way to incorporate a very important part of his back story, whereas Gandalf and Saruman played their main story parts in the Istari forms they have now.

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