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New and Different Outpost Building for Ered Luin/Iron Hills

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CragLord:

--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am  5. Sep 2015, 22:55 ---There is no Lore Hero for the Ered Mithrin in the time of the Hobbit :D
I think the connections between them are strong :D

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Again we go on timeline gap, I tried to explain this so many times, and this continues...
Connections between Lake Town and Iron Hills don't exist! We try to explain many times!

--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am  5. Sep 2015, 22:55 ---Why is there no Lore reasons? :D They fight together in this battle.

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I have tried to give my best here and to explain most of things in detail.
When I read something like this, I think 2 things, first is that I hope you are kidding with me, which is fine but it is not time for jokes about this right now. And second thought is that you are doing this with purpose, further I won't write...


--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am  5. Sep 2015, 22:55 ---There is not an other fraction with more Lore connection, and which Hero do you mean?

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What could I say??? Is this problem with me, or with your understanding of this discussion?
Simply we try to be objective with some lore facts, and we expect that from other in discussion. Other way, I find all of this like great waste of time and our life energy...

Gimilzar:

--- Zitat ---Connections between Lake Town and Iron Hills don't exist!
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I dont know what book version of The Hobbit you read, but I am pretty sure that during the Battle of the Five Armies the Men of Laketown and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills took part. So much for nonexistent connections.

CragLord:

--- Zitat von: Gimilzar am  5. Sep 2015, 23:33 ---
--- Zitat ---Connections between Lake Town and Iron Hills don't exist!
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I dont know what book version of The Hobbit you read, but I am pretty sure that during the Battle of the Five Armies the Men of Laketown and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills took part. So much for nonexistent connections.

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And again same thing...
Is this reason to integrate economic/miliatry/hero/support building for Iron Hills?
And btw,  I have read book many times and almost all others from Tolkien...
And if you have also read, tell me what was before goblins came?
And have you read comments from above?
Simply this is minnor reason, and you all know this! From lore aspect 0 contidions! And you also know this, or I presume you know, but matter of preferences is other problem. That is clear!

Gnomi:

--- Zitat ---It is really disappointing fact that members of this eng part need to go to german section and use translator in order to get opinion from main leader of this team about this matter!
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Just a small thing from the me as team member:
If we need to read all english and all german parts of the forums (and all new moddb things) and answer everything we'ld have to spend least one hour per day just for reading.
Let's say we have every day about 1,5 hours for modding.
This would mean that we can only mod for about 30 minutes per day.
So we can't read everything. Especially not when we are doing other things, like goint outise, planning holidays and so on.

Additionally some german users have the same concern: They say that the team answers more questions for the english community and is also more active in the english areas.

So basically what I want to say:
You always just see what's bad for you. And the more active we're in the forums, the less time we have for modding.


--- Zitat ---So please try to be objective and read idea in general, what I could conclude from that comment is that guy has seen only what he don't like and generalize that on whole idea.

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The thing is:
You can say exactly the thing about yourself. You also have your standpoint, the same way others have theirs. Just because they don't like your standpoint doesn't mean that they are less objective than you're.
Additionally your point is not a valid reason against this opinion.^^ For me the whole concept looks like: "Adding many more models, just to have more different troups ingame, just for the sake of more troups".(note: I don't mean the movie dwarves, I just mean more different designs) Some of them are from the movie, but still the point stands: I personally see no reason in gameplay. And I'm one of those guys who love a game more when there are less troups, but therefore every single trouple has a purpose and a reason to recruit. I know guys who like it more when there are more different units, even when have of them are just copies of other troups, but I prefer other things.


--- Zitat ---And just to add this Outpost would have some dwarven based buildings and units, isn't that refreshment in this mod? Integration of other dwarven realms into this mod, isn't that good?
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Well, as I said:
I personally don't like adding units "just for more different troups". I had no problems with the amount of troups in Bfme I where every faction had just one type of units for each role. For me the most important thing is the usability in the game and that there is a reason to buy this unit and not another unit.


--- Zitat ---invite them to join here
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We have many people who're still in school. Many of them can understand english, but discussing an entire topic is something completely different. You're always much more comfortable with your native tongue, as you have more possibilities to write something and you canw rite and read much faster. Additionally it's always more tiring to discuss in english than in german for us, especially when you're not used to communicate so much in english. It's easy to write 1-2 sentences, but writing a whole topic if you're not used to it isn't so easy. :P
Of course that counts for everyone, also many people from the english community, but I can fully understand when people want to discuss topic in their native tongue., when they have the opportunity for it.
Additionally noone forced anyone to discuss the same idea in both areas. Of course we are always happy and think that it's good when the two communities get closer to each other, but we can't and won't force the english community to speak english and we won't force the english community to speak german.


--- Zitat ---Also there is no lore reason for this.

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The same counts for the other way round. There is no lore reason for the other idea.
Of course it's nice to have something different, but I'm personally happy with the current integration.(note: personally, I don't speak for the whole team here, as I haven't asked every single one of them what they prefer^^)
I can understand that other people prefer different things and therefore I wasn't writing something, because I currently have only less than one hour per day for modding and I don't want to spend 90% of it discussing things and afterwards having no time left to do anything productive for the mod.

So:
Don't blame the team for answering some questions in the german forums, as we're doing the same here in the english parts. And also don't blame the german community for staying more in the german parts. If you'ld be in a forum with your native tongue for 2 or more years you also wouldn't just switch and do everything in english. And there are already some german users who are also discussing with you here in the english parts. Additionally people only write something to topics which they are interested in - and I have the feeling that the english concepts have a different style than the german ones. So it also can be that most german users just don't mind as much about the ideas which are discussed here, as they are more interested in other concepts. (and when you're not interested in a topic you're even less motivated to write in another tongue.^^)

Fredius:

--- Zitat von: Gimilzar am  5. Sep 2015, 23:33 ---I dont know what book version of The Hobbit you read, but I am pretty sure that during the Battle of the Five Armies the Men of Laketown and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills took part. So much for nonexistent connections.

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Yes that was after they decided to almost go at each others throats, whereas Ered Luin had no quarrel with Lake-town at all, that's why I think that Lake-town belongs to Ered Luin, simply because they never fought each other xD.

Look, the Edain Team wants to make every Dwarf realm unique right? Why should two Dwarven Realms share the same outpost? If we are talking about connections then I'm pretty sure the Iron Hills would have had more connections with their brethern in the Grey Mountains/Red Mountains than the Men from Lake-town?

EDIT: Sorry Gnomi I haven't read your reply before posting this, but I'll make a new post to reply on your reply.

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