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New and Different Outpost Building for Ered Luin/Iron Hills

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Aragorn II.:
CragLord why so aggresiv? :D You wanted to have comments from the german forum, and this is my opinion. We do not know that the Ered Mithrin and the IronHill fight together after the battle of Azanulbizar, but we do exactly know that the Dwarfs of the Ironhills and the people of Laketown fight together.

Maybe you should not defend your concept so angry and try to understand  the people which found that the Ironhills and Laketown fits well togehter.

LordDainIronfoot:

--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am  5. Sep 2015, 23:47 ---CragLord why so aggresiv? :D You wanted to have comments from the german forum, and this is my opinion. We do not know that the Ered Mithrin and the IronHill fight together after the battle of Azanulbizar, but we do exactly know that the Dwarfs of the Ironhills and the people of Laketown fight together.

Maybe you should not defend your concept so angry and try to understand  the people which found that the Ironhills and Laketown fits well togehter.

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One Battle in which they were FORCED to fight together doesn't make an alliance you see! :) You do know that the Dwarves of Iron Hilsl are Durins Folk and have come from Ered Mithrin right!?
And to Gnomi I am really dissapointed about your opinion on our ideas too se them jsut as adding more troops,it is nothing like that,just morediversity about the Dwarves race thats all! You always think we want things for no reason which is not like that!
And it seems you always tolerate and deffend the German Part more,nothing to say on the matter!
To me it is clear who is mroe objective ,to you all our ideas are waste of time and just unreasonable suggestions I see!
And please do not forget English is not our nattive language and we too have personal lifes and all,I am at work 12 hours a day and work at home too while prepare to study so you are not the only ones who spare time for the sake of this awesome Mod!I am sad tha you think this way but it says a lot to me!!

Fredius:

--- Zitat von: Gnomi am  5. Sep 2015, 23:43 ---Just a small thing from the me as team member:
If we need to read all english and all german parts of the forums (and all new moddb things) and answer everything we'ld have to spend least one hour per day just for reading.
Let's say we have every day about 1,5 hours for modding.
This would mean that we can only mod for about 30 minutes per day.
So we can't read everything. Especially not when we are doing other things, like goint outise, planning holidays and so on.

Additionally some german users have the same concern: They say that the team answers more questions for the english community and is also more active in the english areas.

So basically what I want to say:
You always just see what's bad for you. And the more active we're in the forums, the less time we have for modding.
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You have a point there, but just look through all the threads in the English suggestion forums, and then look through the German ones. The amount of participation from the Team members in the English forums is far less than in the German forums. The German members can complain about the lack of attention, but looking at it from a neutral point one can see that the English forums get almost no attention at all.

Of course you don't have the time to read every suggestion or whatsoever, but wouldn't it hurt to sometimes respond to some suggestions posted in the English forums, mainly for big ideas like the Assembly Hall? This already can give the English members a better feeling that people actually take them serious. If no attention is given at all then you might as well remove the English suggestion threads.


--- Zitat ---Additionally your point is not a valid reason against this opinion.^^ For me the whole concept looks like: "Adding many more models, just to have more different troups ingame, just for the sake of more troups".(note: I don't mean the movie dwarves, I just mean more different designs) Some of them are from the movie, but still the point stands: I personally see no reason in gameplay. And I'm one of those guys who love a game more when there are less troups, but therefore every single trouple has a purpose and a reason to recruit. I know guys who like it more when there are more different units, even when have of them are just copies of other troups, but I prefer other things.
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We don't want more troops, we just want to change the current ones that are litteraly copies of the troops from another faction. If I may exaggerate; it's basically saying that you are fine with giving Gondor troops from Morgul. And we don't demand to have those concepts implented into the next version of the mod, just do it when you feel like you want to; it's your mod after all.


--- Zitat ---We have many people who're still in school. Many of them can understand english, but discussing an entire topic is something completely different. You're always much more comfortable with your native tongue, as you have more possibilities to write something and you canw rite and read much faster. Additionally it's always more tiring to discuss in english than in german for us, especially when you're not used to communicate so much in english. It's easy to write 1-2 sentences, but writing a whole topic if you're not used to it isn't so easy. :P
Of course that counts for everyone, also many people from the english community, but I can fully understand when people want to discuss topic in their native tongue., when they have the opportunity for it.
Additionally noone forced anyone to discuss the same idea in both areas. Of course we are always happy and think that it's good when the two communities get closer to each other, but we can't and won't force the english community to speak english and we won't force the english community to speak german.
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I happen to agree with you, translating one suggestion is already a pain in the ass xD, especially when both German and English are not my native languages. But still I do this because I have the feeling that the German and English forums are just too divided, I believe I already stated why I think so.


--- Zitat ---So:
Don't blame the team for answering some questions in the german forums, as we're doing the same here in the english parts. And also don't blame the german community for staying more in the german parts. If you'ld be in a forum with your native tongue for 2 or more years you also wouldn't just switch and do everything in english. And there are already some german users who are also discussing with you here in the english parts. Additionally people only write something to topics which they are interested in - and I have the feeling that the english concepts have a different style than the german ones. So it also can be that most german users just don't mind as much about the ideas which are discussed here, as they are more interested in other concepts. (and when you're not interested in a topic you're even less motivated to write in another tongue.^^)
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We are actually very thankfull to you for participating in these discussions. Please know that we are not (all) English or American, just people from other countries who happen to speak English so we can communicate with each other. I also don't see much difference between the "English" concepts and the German ones, don't worry I also read some of them, what exactly is this difference in your opinion?

Aragorn II.:

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  5. Sep 2015, 23:54 ---One Battle in which they were FORCED to fight together doesn't make an alliance you see! :) You do know that the Dwarves of Iron Hilsl are Durins Folk and have come from Ered Mithrin right!?

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I do know that Durins Folk have lived in the Ered Mithrin :D But i didn´t know a Hero of the Ered Mithrin, which exist in the lore at the time in there the edain version of the Ironhills is mainly designed.


--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  5. Sep 2015, 23:54 ---To me it is clear who is mroe objective ,to you all our ideas are waste of time and just unreasonable suggestions I see!

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I don´t belive that Gnomi think that all your ideas are waste of time. Maybe he just doesn´t like the concept. I think it's nice that he tries to mediate between the two Forums and  suggestions in the German forum were also criticized.

LordDainIronfoot:
I see no mediation at all it is alwasy the same,,we do not like that and German Forum is always right! So as much as I respect him an his Team,he is not objective at all! :)
We are not talking about the Hero Being Lore ,the hero is non canon the same as Drar and Murin,but the idea about Orocarni and Ered Mithrin is much more Lore friendly thatn Lake Town and the Hero is just to not have 2 ranged heroes in and to have different one that Bard! :)
But it seems to the Team having different Ourposts for each Dwarven Realm is no good and not needed and with that I have no choice but subdue,so I will stop the discussion about sicne it seems no facts can prove our point valid to you nor the team! :)
So have a great day from me! :)

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