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Make Rohirrim of the Eastfold a Useful Unit

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Lord of Mordor:
Cavalry should not have or be an "excellent counter to pikes" though. That's the whole point, you should not be able to rely exclusively on one unit type. How would you defeat a cavalry army that's as large as any infantry army you can build and can beat your pikemen?

Cavalry has basically every advantage over pikemen. They're faster, so they can always choose their battles. They're stronger against both swordsmen and archers, and they are better for harassment. By contrast, pikemen are weak against everything except cavalry - once you have cavalry that counters pikemen, pikemen become useless and cavalry invincible.

Adrigabbro:
Gotta admit you have a point Lord of Mordor...
How about changing Riders of the Eastfold into a cheaper but weaker version of the standard Rohirrims? It might be dumb though, it's just an idea. But perhaps it could make the transition from peasants to cavalry more reliable and less dangerous ; even though it does not change Rohan late game.

Elite KryPtik:

--- Zitat von: Lord of Mordor am 23. Jul 2015, 18:21 ---Cavalry should not have or be an "excellent counter to pikes" though. That's the whole point, you should not be able to rely exclusively on one unit type. How would you defeat a cavalry army that's as large as any infantry army you can build and can beat your pikemen?

Cavalry has basically every advantage over pikemen. They're faster, so they can always choose their battles. They're stronger against both swordsmen and archers, and they are better for harassment. By contrast, pikemen are weak against everything except cavalry - once you have cavalry that counters pikemen, pikemen become useless and cavalry invincible.

--- Ende Zitat ---

Well that's the idea of the tradeoff, they cannot trample. So they wouldn't be able to deal with archers who could pick them off easily. Infantry would also be able to defeat them in melee, because they cannot trample units, so their only usefulness would be as a counter to an army of pikes. Making just Rohirrim of the Eastfold would result in infantry and archer armies demolishing you. It would be good for situations like for example, if you start off with infantry, then transition to cavalry, catching your opponent off guard. Then once he makes a bunch of pikes to deal with your cavalry, you could make the Rohirrim of the Eastfold to counter the pikes. I would agree that this idea would be unfair if the Rohirrim of the Eastfold could trample, but without trample damage I think its a fair tradeoff.

As for cavalry having every advantage over pikes, I heartily disagree, it really comes down to how each is used. If you put pikes in porcupine formation on top of your archers, then boom, suddenly enemy cavalry becomes completely useless. Archers are good against infantry too, and Rohans infantry suck really bad, so the pikes would be able to delay Rohan infantry long enough for the archers to shred them. It all depends on how you play and how effectively you place your pikes. All I know is that something needs to be done, or else Rohan will just be a spam faction like Mordor and Goblins, and not the epic cavalry faction that I think the team intended and envisioned. Right now its pointless to even try to make any cavalry besides the captains of Rohan against other players, because anybody half skilled at the game can just mindlessly spam pikes and you lose.

-Mandos-:
When I tested the Eastfold Riders (with formation) against pikes, swordsmen and a mixture of them they did very well against the swordsmen, lost against the pikes but not too horribly (more like pikes lose to swordsmen) and got crushed by the mixture.
I think that the reason for this is that while they doesnt lose too badly against the pikes they lose very fast (but taking enough pikes with them to make it "fair") so if they fight against the mixture and focus on killing the swordsmen they get killed faster by the pikes than they can kill the swordsmen.
It was already difficult for me to explain it in German, I hope you'll understand it  xD
My reasoning therefore goes as follows: They should get less damage from pikes in melee combat but also deal less damage against pikes so that they can function as a counter to hordes of swordsmen while the peasants have to deal with the pikes.

Elite KryPtik:
Regular Rohirrim can defeat swordsmen really easily, so can the current meta of extreme peasant spam, that's not the issue. The issue is that using Cavalry as Rohan is actually pointless in the current build, because pikes can defeat them so easily. The whole idea of Rohan, like everybody says, is to be a cavalry faction, yet building cavalry as Rohan will almost always lose you the game, theres something seriously wrong with that.

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