Battlewagon Improvements

[bookworm1138]

I love what the Edain team has done with the Dwarven factions. giving them so much movie/book personality really makes up for them being one of the only factions with no cavalry.

Which brings me to the battle-wagons. I never use them in 4.1.1. because i feel like they got nerfed...HARD! like, even on 95% handicap, the enemy can destroy a battle-wagon easily (and i'm not talking just spearmen: orc warriors could destroy a battle-wagon with no problem).

I can totally accept a faction that has no cavalry, especially when it's the Dwarves (IH Dain kind of counts, but not really because he's just one hero), but is there a logical reason for nerfing battle-wagons? were they too OP in the base game/previous versions of Edain?

As far as suggestions, i would just say not to increase their attack, but to give them a few more hit points, just so that they don't die so easily.

[Dardrad_of_Ered_Luin]

bookworm1138 agree with the times and used battlewagon are very weak and do not last long in battle

[Draco100000]

I love what the Edain team has done with the Dwarven factions. giving them so much movie/book personality really makes up for them being one of the only factions with no cavalry.

Which brings me to the battle-wagons. I never use them in 4.1.1. because i feel like they got nerfed...HARD! like, even on 95% handicap, the enemy can destroy a battle-wagon easily (and i'm not talking just spearmen: orc warriors could destroy a battle-wagon with no problem).

I can totally accept a faction that has no cavalry, especially when it's the Dwarves (IH Dain kind of counts, but not really because he's just one hero), but is there a logical reason for nerfing battle-wagons? were they too OP in the base game/previous versions of Edain?

As far as suggestions, i would just say not to increase their attack, but to give them a few more hit points, just so that they don't die so easily.

Agree. more healthpoints, maybe double healthpoints. i only use them to throw a barrel and give me leadership,if they go to the front, my battle wagons get destroyed in a few seconds against infantry and instakilled by pikemen.

[Adrigabbro]

I'm ok when they get instakilled by pikesmen but I'm not when they lose half hitpoints when charging swordsmen.
Thumbs up guys, I'm behind you!

[Skeeverboy]

Swordsman can't kill easy a battlewagon. Can you show a replay or something like that?

[Draco100000]

Swordsman can't kill easy a battlewagon. Can you show a replay or something like that?

Are you sure? they simply get him because of lack of crampling and become useless in close combat, is obviously that the battlewagon is simply a support unit to give heal and leadership, or a few support fire to nearby troops. Receive lot of damage from swordsmen,so cant fight against even a sigle battallion, so i use to put them on defensive stance and use them to give bonus to troops.

[Hal9000]

I agree, I think that battlewagons are too weak, I also suggest you some ideas:

Axe Thrower upgrade should throw visually forged axes and the damage should be increased and bowmans should shoot fire arrows.
I feel that this improvement is not very useful at the moment. I also offer a new upgrade available : "Steel armor" that would increase the hit points of the battlewagon, it would be more difficult to destroy but we must choose between this upgrade and the others : Leadership, Axe Thrower/bowmans upgrade or Hearth upgrade. What do you think of these ideas? (sorry for my english)/

[LordDainIronfoot]

Battlewagons indeed can be buffed they need it!A little more Health  and Armor!
P.S. and with the EE of BoFA o think they may be changed to War Chariots which will be cool! :-)

[WarOfTheRingVeteran]

Battlewagons indeed can be buffed they need it!A little more Health  and Armor!
P.S. and with the EE of BoFA o think they may be changed to War Chariots which will be cool! :-)

Totally agreed! They really do need some more armour.

And I'd be great if their design is changed to look more like this:

https://legergy.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/104.png

[ThorinsNemesis]

^^I agree too! I really like that chariot, and with the release of the EE of BOTFA it will be great if the Team makes the battlewagon look more like the chariots in the movie  .

[Gandalf The Gray]

what about a war chariot upgrade with a crossbow on it my god how awesome would it be !!!!

[Fredius]

what about a war chariot upgrade with a crossbow on it my god how awesome would it be !!!!

You mean like in the extended edition?

[Gandalf The Gray]

yes it was awesome

[korner]

yes it was awesome

yes of course it is, what else could it be?

[Gandalf The Gray]

what s your problem now ?

[korner]

what s your problem now ?

it´s just awesome

[NetoD20]

Maybe we could have smaller sized redesigned chariots (two rams) and a big one with various rams as one of Balin's skills that could carry more than one hero.

"I'm getting too old for this." Lol

[Walküre]

Gandalf the Gray and korner, what's happening now?

Could you please maintain both of you a quiet and constructive attitude on this topic?
There might be also other people interested in this thread, and, I'm sure that this kind of comments is not the most suitable and helpful thing for this discussion.
If you have little 'disputes'/debates between you, you can easily sort them out via PMs, always in the pacific and gentle way suggested here.

Greetings 

[korner]

Gandalf the Gray and korner, what's happening now?

Could you please maintain both of you a quiet and constructive attitude on this topic?
There might be also other people interested in this thread, and, I'm sure that this kind of comments is not the most suitable and helpful thing for this discussion.
If you have little 'disputes'/debates between you, you can easily sort them out via PMs, always in the pacific and gentle way suggested here.

Greetings 

This is really funny 

Each time I post any criticism, I get attacked for being rude.

Now I once agree with a statement - and get warned again for nothing?

[Walküre]

Gandalf the Gray and korner, what's happening now?

Could you please maintain both of you a quiet and constructive attitude on this topic?
There might be also other people interested in this thread, and, I'm sure that this kind of comments is not the most suitable and helpful thing for this discussion.
If you have little 'disputes'/debates between you, you can easily sort them out via PMs, always in the pacific and gentle way suggested here.

Greetings 

This is really funny 

Each time I post any criticism, I get attacked for being rude.

Now I once agree with a statement - and get warned again for nothing?

If you read my comment again, you will see that I referred to both of you.
It wouldn't be the first time, especially in the Dwarven Section, that little and futile incomprehensions cause the topic to get confusing and more difficult to follow.

No one is 'warning' you or others.
I'm just advising you regarding the condition of the discussion itself, what really matters here