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Earth Shaker is it fair!? :)

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--- Zitat von: ™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™ am  7. Aug 2015, 11:19 ---
--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  7. Aug 2015, 11:02 ---Why dot you try to think of balance and game play an extra unit is and extra unit in the same way we can give Iron Hills and extra Unit Infatry especially with damage against monster's and we will say that they're speciality so it is ok!?We can give Mithril Mail to Ered Luin Infantry and say Armor is their speciality!!
Armor Penetrating Axes is like War Masks and Siege Hammers each is for the specialty of Each Kingdom so try to use reasonble and valid points and read that a lot of other people agree with the Siege Hammers question! :-) So would you consider just sodding off! :D Have a nice day :-)

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What if we, say did this scenario:
Isengard has two sub-factions, only one of these sub-factions has an extra unit.
This unit is unlocked exactly when the Uruk hai swordsmen are unlocked
And this unit has the exact same stats, only it has new skin.
Would that make this sub-faction of isengard better than others in any way, except fun?.

And, the factions are already specialized, Ered luin gets two more heroes than the others. I can't really say what Iron hills advantage is besides how great their infantry does vs other infantry, when compared the other two sub-factions.
But, while Ered luin gets two more heroes, Erebor has their Earth-shaker.

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--- Zitat von: CragLord am  7. Aug 2015, 11:24 ---
--- Zitat von: ™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™ am  7. Aug 2015, 10:45 ---Sup.
I have a wee proposition, if i'd have a moment of your time  xD

What if you just... GAVE UP ! ;)

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Please don't post that kind of comments in any topic, not even like joke. This is dissusion, people here polish ideas, that is point. If you see this pointless, why you then wrote comment in first place?


--- Zitat von: ™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™ am  7. Aug 2015, 10:45 ---Erebor is the siege faction(They should have more siege than others).
Ered luin gets their heroes(Two more than the other realms).
Iron hills gets their armor penetrating axes (And by the way, those + slaughterers tear through all Isengard infantry; even with shield uruks, and the steelworks upgrades [uglybunti])

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You can't compare factions in this way... That kind of balance is wrong in general (Ered Luin have strong heroes so they don't need any good kind of infantry? Or Iron Hills don't need strong heroes because they have strong infantry?). I don't see things in that way. (I know you wrote correct facts there, Ered Luin has OP heroes, but that doesn't mean they don't need new siege unit with unique properties)
They (Erebor dwarves) are siege faction, like all dwarven faction in general. Ok they are more than other faction (Gloin). At main comment which LordDain wrote idea is clear, other faction should get siege weapons with different purposes. Balista isn't siege (building destroy) weapon, it is antimonster weapon (very nice idea), about ered luin i must admit that I don't see point in ladders (I also don't have idea for this new siege weapon). So Erebor will stay top building destroyer as faction. Also I am not for idea of removing shakers, simply they need some kind of change (armour buff, attack change etc). They represent very nice idea in general.
And one very clear statement:
Earth Shakers are not useless for sure! Only if some of you people don't play with them that is other problem. They will become more popular with some change (Maybe greater armour, change of cd of attack, change of attack in general etc). I support idea about adding 2 more unique siege unit in general.

P.S. Also someone wrote that shakers are nothing (So other factions don't need new siege units, there is nothing to balance. Really? Have you tried to use 4 Shakers at same time on same area? Damage is great on buildings! I don't say this is easy to do, but they are not useless or "nothing". Simply, try to think in this way, two new units should also have unique way of using them. This is balance about numbers as Tiberius said).

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Dude, if you have 4 shakers, you could've gotten 4 catapults, or 4 demolishers.

LordDainIronfoot:
CragLord is absolutely right!And you shouldn't call the Dwarven Kingdoms Sub-Factions because they are not that they are an absolutely separated and different fully functional Factions!A sub faction is Dale ,Lake Town ,Mirkwood and.etc and even there there is a balance of the units and their numbers :-) :-)
And I is some people doesnt like to use Shakers or cant use them doesnt mean that others cant to! :-) With some changes the Shakers can become more useful and easy to use which would like a lot but still yhe other two Kingdoms should get new ones for the sake of balance but they will also be limited like the Shakers! :-)

CragLord:

--- Zitat von: ™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™ am  7. Aug 2015, 11:26 ---Dude, if you have 4 shakers, you could've gotten 4 catapults, or 4 demolishers.

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It is about area damage, not single target damage. And here we don't polemicize
about catapult vs shaker or demolisher vs shaker. I just say shakers are not useless. And if you noticed only that from my previous post, then I don't have much more to say.

P.S. Please use spoiler button when you place comment like that, because of disscusion overview.  ;)  :)

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The point is that it is not an advantage over the other factions.
I am done, good night.

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