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Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Linhir am 13. Aug 2015, 16:47 ---There's difference between ogre, ent, mumakil etc. and fellbeasts and eagles.
Ents and co. are more massive, heavier and stronger. Eagles for example have "empty bones", that's why they are so light. So, imagine now this fight Gvaihir vs. average stone wall. :P

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All interesting things, but this is not a scientific essay, we are talking about a game, set in a fictional and fantastic World  :)

By the way, Giant Eagles can't be compared to normal birds, in Tolkien's lore; they are magical and sentient (they think and 'speak' like Elves and Humans) creatures of Manwë, and only to Manwë obey; I think that their strength and resistance can be compared for instance to the ones of the Balrogs, or are quite similar.
In the First Age, Thorondor, the King of the Great Eagles, was able to permanently wound Morgoth in the face and 'save' the dead body of Fingolfin; the Eagles of Manwë fought also against the terrible Winged Dragons in the War of Wrath.
Not so common qualities, I guess  :)

CragLord:
Exactly, and here we talk about flying units in general, there are fellbeasts and dragons too. And they don't have "empty" bones.  ;)

Adrigabbro:

--- Zitat von: Tienety am 13. Aug 2015, 13:55 ---
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 13. Aug 2015, 12:59 ---I think they should deal much more damage to siege weapons, especially catapults. However I'm not too sure about buildings damage, since buildings are very likely made of concrete stone and I can't see how an eagle could damage stone.
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Very interesting argument but this is just a game, not a simulator. How can swordsman, fire arrows, hammers or ents with melee attack destroy the stone?  8-|


--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 13. Aug 2015, 12:59 ---Also, they would be overpowered if they were good against siege weapons, buildings AND units.
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So, you're saying that eagles are overpowered in bfme 1, bfme 2 or 3.8.1. :o

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In the previous versions, eagles were dealing less damage to units than they currently are (if I'm not mistaking).
You're right about the stone thing though.

Gandalf The Gray:
Flying units should be strong only against units on the ground because i think if they will be stronger against building too then they will be lil bit to op i think

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Gandalf The Gray am 13. Aug 2015, 18:26 ---Flying units should be strong only against units on the ground because i think if they will be stronger against building too then they will be lil bit to op i think

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I think that their effectiveness against siege weapons and structures will be well balanced by their vulnerability to archery units  :)

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