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Hüter:
Just yesterday I saw a video on Youtube which was probably taken from BOTFA Extended Edition, where they explained why the dwarves from Thorin's company fought without their very heavy armours in the last battle: The actors just were unable to somehow move and fight even only in green screen. So, they decided to let them do the scenes in their lighter armours. I have Extended Edition of LOTR and watched all the making ofs, and I can't remember same things for LOTR. So what I mean is just that they have done pretty of overkill in some situations. These "boar-listas" are one of those things. The question therefore is not, if they worked, but if they worked better than a simple crossbow. In addition, they look needlessly heavy and difficult to carry, so why would they use them?

LordDainIronfoot:
Well just try to remember that in The Hobbit you do not have Clothe Wearing Elves and Men with Range Outfit or Armor which is basicaly wearing only Armor in Gondor case!
In the Hobbit as you Can see Elven Soldiers moved quite easily and even were able to shoot Fighting Battle scenes! :-) Same actually goes for the IHs Extras who shoot Battle.scenes if you have wathced them! :-) So there is not so vig of a Problem there! :-) Now take into consideration that Thorin Company haf multiple layers of Prosthetics,Clothes,Fst Suit and then Armor and all of thar made it almost impossible for them to Move Normally,while Men in LOTR weared only Armor and Elves in yhe Hobbit mostly Ears and nothing else!So I hope you get my point there! :-)

About the Boar Lista it was a Special Heavy Crossbow made fpr dealing with Heavy Armored and Big Targets like TrollsWargs and many others which are Enemies of the Dwarves so yes there is use and purpose for them! :-) And then WETA had smallet Crossbows,notmal Crossbows with just IHs Boar Style and even made Multiple Arrow Crossbows with like 5-6 Bolts so there isn't only the Boar Lista which is Speaciap Ranged Weapon for Speacial Targets ! :-)

Greetings! :-)

calsash:

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 14. Dez 2015, 20:50 ---Well just try to remember that in The Hobbit you do not have Clothe Wearing Elves and Men with Range Outfit or Armor which is basicaly wearing only Armor in Gondor case!
In the Hobbit as you Can see Elven Soldiers moved quite easily and even were able to shoot Fighting Battle scenes! :-) Same actually goes for the IHs Extras who shoot Battle.scenes if you have wathced them! :-) So there is not so vig of a Problem there! :-) Now take into consideration that Thorin Company haf multiple layers of Prosthetics,Clothes,Fst Suit and then Armor and all of thar made it almost impossible for them to Move Normally,while Men in LOTR weared only Armor and Elves in yhe Hobbit mostly Ears and nothing else!So I hope you get my point there! :-)

About the Boar Lista it was a Special Heavy Crossbow made fpr dealing with Heavy Armored and Big Targets like TrollsWargs and many others which are Enemies of the Dwarves so yes there is use and purpose for them! :-) And then WETA had smallet Crossbows,notmal Crossbows with just IHs Boar Style and even made Multiple Arrow Crossbows with like 5-6 Bolts so there isn't only the Boar Lista which is Speaciap Ranged Weapon for Speacial Targets ! :-)

Greetings! :-)

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Explained perfectly Dain :D

Hüter:

--- Zitat ---Well just try to remember that in The Hobbit you do not have Clothe Wearing Elves and Men with Range Outfit or Armor which is basicaly wearing only Armor in Gondor case!
In the Hobbit as you Can see Elven Soldiers moved quite easily and even were able to shoot Fighting Battle scenes! :-) Same actually goes for the IHs Extras who shoot Battle.scenes if you have wathced them! :-) So there is not so vig of a Problem there! :-) Now take into consideration that Thorin Company haf multiple layers of Prosthetics,Clothes,Fst Suit and then Armor and all of thar made it almost impossible for them to Move Normally,while Men in LOTR weared only Armor and Elves in yhe Hobbit mostly Ears and nothing else!So I hope you get my point there! :-)
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I get your point here, and there is nothing to criticise about it. I never doubted about normal IH soldiers, indeed their armours were one of the things I liked most about BOTFA (and I am happy to see them now in Edain). My point though is that everything shown in LOTR concerning armour and weapons was functional and "slim"; in BOTFA some of the weapons and armours (far not all) and especially for the dwarves were just a little bit overloaded and too heavy (remember Gimli's armour and axes, which showed dwarvish culture and stile well, but looked very practical. I would have liked it, if they had followed that line a little bit more.
In German there is a saying: "Manchmal ist weniger mehr", which literally means "sometimes less is more".

With the "boar-listas" it's the same: I think they are just looking too much like some bad taste fantasy game, where blades are 5 m long and 50 cm large and crossbows look like the prototype of a gun (the multi-shot crossbow). 8-|
I get the idea of having a larger "calibre" against bigger creatures, but could they not have been shot from a bigger "normal" crossbow? And why have those things have to look so heavy? I cannot imagine any warrior who would like to carry them to the battlefield.

Greetings,
Hüter

Fredius:

--- Zitat von: HüterDerGeschenke am 14. Dez 2015, 21:27 ---I get your point here, and there is nothing to criticise about it. I never doubted about normal IH soldiers, indeed their armours were one of the things I liked most about BOTFA (and I am happy to see them now in Edain). My point though is that everything shown in LOTR concerning armour and weapons was functional and "slim"; in BOTFA some of the weapons and armours (far not all) and especially for the dwarves were just a little bit overloaded and too heavy (remember Gimli's armour and axes, which showed dwarvish culture and stile well, but looked very practical. I would have liked it, if they had followed that line a little bit more.
In German there is a saying: "Manchmal ist weniger mehr", which literally means "sometimes less is more".

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Gimli's armour is not a good example of how Dwarven armour should look like, it is perfectly described in the book that the IH dwarves wore full heavy armor when they arrived at the Lonely Mountain. What Gimli wore is definetly not Heavy armor. Just because plate armour is heavy it doesn't mean it's not functional, especially if you train a lot with it. It's far more flexible than you might think ;).

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