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Melkor Bauglir:

--- Zitat ---Gimli's armour is not a good example of how Dwarven armour should look like, it is perfectly described in the book that the IH dwarves wore full heavy armor when they arrived at the Lonely Mountain. What Gimli wore is definetly not Heavy armor. Just because plate armour is heavy it doesn't mean it's not functional, especially if you train a lot with it. It's far more flexible than you might think ;).
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Well, you are right about heavy armour being more flexible, however I have to agree with Hüter: The Hobbit movies acted less restricted than the LotR movies concerning design. I personally enjoy such art, but watching the movies, I often wished their ideas would have been a little more contained.
Therefore if I have to be honest, I don't particularly like those "hand-ballistas". ;) They fell just like a little overkill to me. (Note that I wouldn't mind, if the LotR movies were that free in their design, too, but equally good. However after the margin is set, such concepts go to wild for my taste.)

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

LordDainIronfoot:
Well in LOTR Movie Gimli wear mostly traveling outfit which is basically Clothes with some or none Chain Mail here and there and a Bunch of Axes ,too many if you ask me! :-) So yeah Gimli doesnt count,in the Hobbit while they Traveled the Dwarves had quite similar to Gimli Traveling outfit and.moved freely and it was basically the same as what Gimli and his Actor had! :-)
About the Boar Lista beaing heavy ,well my friends keep in mind that we are talking about Dwarves which are much more stronger physically and have much more endurance and stamina than Human ,so for a Dwarf it is not so big problem,remember what kind of distance thet went trough in Full Heavy Gear and Supplies and arrived in no time and had plenty of strength left to fight,so I don't think it will be so much difficult or hard for them to wear and use the Boar Lista! :-)

Greetings! :-)

Melkor Bauglir:
Sorry, but I just can't agree to that.
I am fine with leaving out Gimli as an example of a light-armoured dwarf eventhough my point wasn't that, because Gimli wore light armour, now every dwarf should. It was that I personally think a little more restraint would have been an extremely good advice for the designers of the Hobbit movies!
Now specifically concerning the crossbow: First of all I doubt that dwarves are so much more stronger than men. They might be very well stronger in relation to their size and their favourite jobs as smiths or miners do of course create very strong people and of course they are very stubborn. However they are still 2 heads smaller than humans, meaning they weight probably a lot less and physical work also strengthens a human. Let's say equally strong, but definitely not (massively) stronger by nature!
Secondly, I just don't like this crossbow's look. It looks to modern being completely covered with metal platings and I see no point for the dwarves ever to use such a weapon: If it were for a practical advantage, perhaps, but this just looks clunky! ;)

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

calsash:

--- Zitat von: Melkor Bauglir am 14. Dez 2015, 23:00 ---Sorry, but I just can't agree to that.
I am fine with leaving out Gimli as an example of a light-armoured dwarf eventhough my point wasn't that, because Gimli wore light armour, now every dwarf should. It was that I personally think a little more restraint would have been an extremely good advice for the designers of the Hobbit movies!
Now specifically concerning the crossbow: First of all I doubt that dwarves are so much more stronger than men. They might be very well stronger in relation to their size and their favourite jobs as smiths or miners do of course create very strong people and of course they are very stubborn. However they are still 2 heads smaller than humans, meaning they weight probably a lot less and physical work also strengthens a human. Let's say equally strong, but definitely not (massively) stronger by nature!
Secondly, I just don't like this crossbow's look. It looks to modern being completely covered with metal platings and I see no point for the dwarves ever to use such a weapon: If it were for a practical advantage, perhaps, but this just looks clunky! ;)

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

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"Dwarves were a proud and stern race and were made to be sturdy to resist the dangers of their time. They were physically very strong, had great endurance, especially in the ability to resist heat and cold, and they made light of heavy burdens." This description of the dwarves shows that they were much stronger than men, after all they were created from the stone itself by the valar Aule.

Melkor Bauglir:

--- Zitat ---This description of the dwarves shows that they were much stronger than men
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That is literally not standing there. :D
Strong: Yes, of course, that's what I just said. In average stronger than humans, because of what they do: Perhaps. Stronger by nature: No.
But I guess everything from my side is said, my counter-arguments are not that complex to continuesly repeat them. Only one point should be made clear: I am perfectly fine with your passion for the dwarves and personally I like such small changes. But this very specific modell (the crossbow) does not please me, also the new modells haven't even been released. And if their is something the beta has told us: There is always something done with the dwarves! xD

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

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