New unit for Isengard Early game. (+ ideas)

[™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™]

This would be a spear unit, since cavalry kills isengard early game.

Ugluk's Spearmen

They would have the same look as the scouts, but hold spears (Same animations as spears of mithlond)

They have the same health; 600.

Damage would have to be balanced out through out the patches.

They would cost 350.


and you could possibly reduce the cost to level up your unit production buildings to

600 (Machine of war I)
1000 (machine of war II)

or you could just add wildmen spearmen to the wildmen building.
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[Skeeverboy]

Isengard can kill cavalery easy with wargs, because wargs makes more Damage. They don't need Spears in EG.

600 (Machine of war I)
1000 (machine of war II)

This is to OP.

[™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™]

Isengard can kill cavalery easy with wargs, because wargs makes more Damage. They don't need Spears in EG.

600 (Machine of war I)
1000 (machine of war II)

This is to OP.

Is it really?

the current prices are

1000 (Machinery of war I)
1500 (Machinery of war II)

Isengard's early game is a tad too weak, so if you've got any other/better ideas.

Please say them.

[Adrigabbro]

Buff Dunlandmen?

[CynasFan]

I have to agree Skeeverboy.
We had lower prices in versions of 4. before, but Iseangart was able to recruit middlegame units in early game and so no other fraction had a chance (except Arnor, because one unit was really damn OP).
The current prices are OK, only the ressource building costs
But in the early game wargs are the best counter against normal cavallary of all fractions.
Greetings, CynasFan

Sorry for my english, i´m native german

[™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™]

I have to agree Skeeverboy.
We had lower prices in versions of 4. before, but Iseangart was able to recruit middlegame units in early game and so no other fraction had a chance (except Arnor, because one unit was really damn OP).
The current prices are OK, only the ressource building costs
But in the early game wargs are the best counter against normal cavallary of all fractions.
Greetings, CynasFan

Sorry for my english, i´m native german

I got an idea     

It has something to do with grishnak

What if Grishnak could summon a tower?
it would have be the same exact thing as the isengard towers that you can buy in the base.

it would be able to buy steel bolts too.

That way isengard would be able to summon a defensive building to guard their settlements. (it would have a long enough cooldown to make sure grishnak doesn't summon two in one summon)

[Skeeverboy]

But Grishnak don't come in the EG...

[™Æ¿® Aragorn £ ‡™]

But Grishnak don't come in the EG...

Isengard scouts should cost 200, like any other factions early infantry?
:DDD

And the scouts should cost 60-70 command points instead of 90

they're not even real archers till you buy lurtz and upgrade them/get them level two

Or you can give isengard an upgrade (Add it to the Urukpit) (Instead of lurtz)
That costs 300-500, but enables uruk scouts to use their bows. (You'd also make it cost 100 instead of 300 resources to buy)
It would be called 'archery training'.
You could also possibly make it so lurtz can't swap to his bow either till it's bought.

And all  Uruk units should cost 50 less resources(Including them).

And Wildmen axe throwers should cost 250.

playing isengard early game is quite weird when you think about.

You are the economy faction, yet you are struggling to get enough resources.

[korner]

but isn´t that the interesting challenege about playing Isengard?

Difficult start, but then after a while you get a very strong economy and you can pump out masses of troops.
Uruks are prettey strong, wargs are strong, ballista and mines are strong, good heroes.

I don´t think it´d be wise to remove the only challenge among Isengard gameplay (difficult start) by buffing their early game.

[Adrigabbro]

I totally agree with korner. You can't just expect a good erly game when playing Isengard given the insane late game you get.
By the way I don't think Isengard needs any big or medium changes at all. If anything, prices adjustements for Scouts and Dunlendings.

[Skeeverboy]

Isengard scouts should cost 200, like any other factions early infantry?

Scouts are stronger as other eg infantry...

[Gnomi]

You can't just expect a good erly game when playing Isengard given the insane late game you get.

^This

We don't want every faction to be completely equal. If every faction would have the same strength as every other faction at every given time, there would be nearly no differences betweent he factions and it would be very boring.
Isengard already has a really strong lategame and a strong Isengard army is one of the strongest armies in the game.
So they need to be weaker in other parts of the game, f.e. the EG. Isengard has problems in the beginning, but afterwards they get stronger and stronger, while other factions have other power peaks..

[Elite KryPtik]

Well I agree that early game should remain weak, but right now certain factions can kill them outright in 10 minutes(Rohan, Mordor). They just have nothing that can counter the spam. They need a bit of a cost reduction to scouts, and the scouts should be weakened a bit as well in response to becoming cheaper, and the Wildmen should be cheaper and about the same as peasant spam in terms of strength. This way, if you focused on getting Wildmen and scouts, you could survive early game, but it would also slow you down massively getting to late game. They should not get any spears early game, its good that cavalry can deal some damage early game. All I know is me and my circle of friends, which is like 10-15 people, all hate getting Isengard. They are the most impossible to use early game, and the most boring and easy to use late game.

[Skeeverboy]

They just have nothing that can counter the spam.

Wargs can counter them easy, and wildmen are perfect ork-killers.
The EG from Gondor and Dwarvens is so strong how the from Rohan and Mordor to. Gondor and Dwarvens need 2 minutes to buy all buildings in the fortress. Mordor and Rohan need the same time, and all of this 4 factions can spamm units when they do this.

[Adrigabbro]

You can't just expect a good erly game when playing Isengard given the insane late game you get.

We don't want every faction to be completely equal. If every faction would have the same strength as every other faction at every given time, there would be nearly no differences betweent he factions and it would be very boring.
Isengard already has a really strong lategame and a strong Isengard army is one of the strongest armies in the game.
So they need to be weaker in other parts of the game, f.e. the EG. Isengard has problems in the beginning, but afterwards they get stronger and stronger, while other factions have other power peaks..

Not sure if you understood me right, but that's exactly what I meant.