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Walküre:
Denethor implemented via such mechanics was surely lore-accurate and a very smart of a system, but sometimes one has to accept compromises, in order to have everything work in the most decent way. In this case, that past type of implementation caused quite disturbing bugs. Furthermore, to answer your suggestion, I don't know if that eventuality would be feasible; nevertheless, in my opinion, we might then risk to have a replica of Saruman's feature in the game, which is something that ought to be avoided. I therefore believe, due to the great references to the films, that Saruman's ability had better remain his own exclusive possibility.

Denethor's current design is very unique anyway, although it is so under a different perspective; especially, I find his characterisation as a noble lord (who may summon his personal guards) and his stance-system marvellous additions to his concept. Henceforth, we had to renounce the previous citadel-feature logic, but we have, on the other hand, another well fitting concept at disposal. In a sense, it's similar to what we've been proposing in regards of Old Bilbo and Erestor for quite a time: as a solution for issues and unpleasant implications, Erestor could be made a permanent hero and Old Bilbo could be permanently introduced in Rivendell too, each of the two retaining their proper supporting nature.

AulëTheSmith:
Hello guys :)
Some time ago (when I was new here and on moddb) I asked if you planned to introduce some more about the hobbit version of Gandalf. Now that I'm thinking about it again, since Arnor is set before war of the ring, do you think could be a good idea to explore other  ancient spells/abilities of Gandalf the Grey? It would be more unique instead putting a copy of the Gondor version, and it would give the possibility to take back some more abilities form 3.8.1, and exploring new ones too. As for me, I don't mind if this changing would mean to remove Gandalf as ring hero, centering the attention on Arvedui as the only ring hero. But it is my opinion of course :) let me know  xD

Walküre:
I recall that we did have a quite long discussion about Gandalf disposing of a new set of abilities, when it comes to the ruined northern kingdom. It is a quite old debate, if I may say so, tracing back to the dawn of the English community. We had not found a decent and satisfying final solution to the issue, but you might still be interested in having a look at the said thread.

In my personal opinion, I would not oppose a change of such type in principle, but the fact is that I can't seriously think about viable options as new features. Gandalf has always been a very iconic character in the game and one should thus consider things very carefully; the reason why I'm often sceptical and hesitant when I read similar suggestions. Not because of the proposals themselves, but it's more due to the imposing quality of the wizard in the Mod, unless there are very serious aspects at stake (namely, the paradox revolving around Narya).

Nevertheless, were a kind-hearted and gentle soul to offer meaningful elements that might be brought up for the case, I would be more than glad to embark on a possible debate :)

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Walküre am 23. Dez 2017, 00:23 ---I recall that we did have a quite long discussion about Gandalf disposing of a new set of abilities, when it comes to the ruined northern kingdom. It is a quite old debate, if I may say so, tracing back to the dawn of the English community. We had not found a decent and satisfying final solution to the issue, but you might still be interested in having a look at the said thread.

In my personal opinion, I would not oppose a change of such type in principle, but the fact is that I can't seriously think about viable options as new features. Gandalf has always been a very iconic character in the game and one should thus consider things very carefully; the reason why I'm often sceptical and hesitant when I read similar suggestions. Not because of the proposals themselves, but it's more due to the imposing quality of the wizard in the Mod, unless there are very serious aspects at stake (namely, the paradox revolving around Narya).

Nevertheless, were a kind-hearted and gentle soul to offer meaningful elements that might be brought up for the case, I would be more than glad to embark on a possible debate :)

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Thank you Walküre your suggestions are enlightening as always. I know that is a difficult field the one of Gandalf ( as much difficult as Durin, it seems I always put myself in troubles  :D :D). I don't know because for now I have raw ideas (apart of the old abilities).
When I'll be ready I will try to propose something, maybe also taking inspiration from this old thread. And you'll be welcome to the discussion of course  xD xD

Walküre:
And I will be more than happy to participate. And I also add this: if you need some insights, if not actual proposals from my part (that I still have to formulate), I might help you with the analysis of the general theme, underlying which are the aspects that proved quite tough to deal with, at the time of those suggestions. So that we may discern everything more easily and therefore try to go through the most difficult sides of the discussion.

As you wish.

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