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--- Zitat von: Gandalf7000 am 31. Mär 2019, 20:14 ---
--- Zitat von: Seleukos I. am 31. Mär 2019, 19:55 ---I think Saruman is already very strong and doesn't Need any buffs. And giving him an invunerability would be completely broken.
But there is Nothing speaking against new pictures for his abilities (even if they aren't necessariy in my opinion).

regardes
Seleukos I.

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Well, really why would Saruman need Wormtongue to ensnare his enemies? He's very good at it on his own, that's the main reason of this proposal (new picture and name of ability Wormtongue) anyways. The invulnerability would be quite useful when fleeing the battlefield, but since other Mass Slayes don't have such option i could agree that it would be unnecessary.

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With this in mind, the other mass slayers do actually have an option;
Gandalf: Mount & Shield
Elrond: Mount
Legolas: Ranged thus can escape earlier.
Eomer: Mount
Gimli: Leap & Self Speed Up
Dwalin: Self Speed Up
Drar: Ranged
Mollok: Leap
Witch King & Dark Marshall: Mount
Zaphragor: Self Speed Up
Helegwen: Self Speed Up & Enemy Slow

This leaves Saruman & Murin as the only ones that could be considered as mass slayers as the only ones without some means of escape move, so it wouldn't be out of place. With Murin it fits in with the theme of the Iron Hills to buckle down and outlast enemies (which his other abilities make up for) so this wouldn't be out of place on Saruman who is alongside Gandalf the more expensive of the Mass Slayers.

Gandalf7000:
Indeed. And the time of invulnerability doesn't have to be that long, i think 5-7 seconds would be enough, although his Wormtongue ability could be considered as a means of retreat as he converts all enemies around him for a short time, but that's not an option against enemy heroes so i'm not against the idea.

Seleukos I.:
Even an invulerability that would just last for 3 seconds would make Saruman more than op. You can just walk him into the enemy army without any risk and than use his spells.
In general I don't think Saruman needs any improvements. He is a great mass slayer and a good supporter (he can level berserkers to level 5 with ONE move).
And don't Forget, that Lurtz can cripple enemy heroes that hunt Saruman. And his standart attack does knock back to units if I recall correctly.

So I don't think Saruman needs any changes at all.

regardes
Seleukos I.

Gandalf7000:
Well from that point of view it really seems that he doesn't need any buffs. But my initial proposal about the ability picture change remain open.

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