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Poll: Tauriel in Edain Patch 4.2

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Gnomi:
@ cate.lihane@gmail.com:
Just read what i've written a few comments above:
http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31867.msg413553.html#msg413553

As Walküre said it's not "haters vs lovers of Tauriel".
I've also heard from many people who liked Tauriel, but (!) they think that a summon fits better to her.

DrHouse93:
Just thought to a nice implementation of Tauriel, which could then be a mix between the temporary and the permanent summon. What if she can be recruited with a special skill for Legolas? (which would replace his "farsight" skill. Why that one? Because Lorien already has a farsight skill through Galadriel, and making another one would be repetitive and OP)

So this is my idea. Legolas can summon Tauriel at level 5, but she wouldn't be a normal hero. She would be a "slave" hero (similar to Wormtongue with Corrupted Theoden), which attacks enemies with her bow and, when Legolas uses his daggers, she will use them too. If Legolas dies, then Tauriel can be used normally, but to revive Legolas she has to die, too (this is a similar system the team would use for the new likely Erebor scout: http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31881.0.html)
Therefore, when Legolas dies, Tauriel can take on his role (mass slayer with hero killer aspects) but of course to a lesser degree (lower values and overall damage of her skills). This way her role wouldn't be repetitive and she could be recruited in an appropriate way (through Legolas, because, as aminetude mentioned, she was a very close friend with Legolas. So I think it's more appropriate to recruit her through him, rather than with a spell, which can be used even if Legolas isn't on the battlefield yet, thus giving Tauriel an unlikely connection to Lorien)

Concerning the spellbook summon, it can remain unchanged (it would summon some Mirkwood Guards nonetheless), or it may be replaced by some healing spell. What do you think about it?

LordDainIronfoot:
If the Team really uses that System for Erebor Scout I just do not think they will agree to use simillar one with any other Hero,because they like unique things and if more than one Hero has it,well it no longer be unique at least thats what I think! :)

I really think Tauriel is fine as a Summon but with little more Time and Weapon Toggle(not a skill) and few more Abilities! :)

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: DrHouse93 am 11. Okt 2015, 12:09 ---Just thought to a nice implementation of Tauriel, which could then be a mix between the temporary and the permanent summon. What if she can be recruited with a special skill for Legolas? (which would replace his "farsight" skill. Why that one? Because Lorien already has a farsight skill through Galadriel, and making another one would be repetitive and OP)

So this is my idea. Legolas can summon Tauriel at level 5, but she wouldn't be a normal hero. She would be a "slave" hero (similar to Wormtongue with Corrupted Theoden), which attacks enemies with her bow and, when Legolas uses his daggers, she will use them too. If Legolas dies, then Tauriel can be used normally, but to revive Legolas she has to die, too (this is a similar system the team would use for the new likely Erebor scout: http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31881.0.html)
Therefore, when Legolas dies, Tauriel can take on his role (mass slayer with hero killer aspects) but of course to a lesser degree (lower values and overall damage of her skills). This way her role wouldn't be repetitive and she could be recruited in an appropriate way (through Legolas, because, as aminetude mentioned, she was a very close friend with Legolas. So I think it's more appropriate to recruit her through him, rather than with a spell, which can be used even if Legolas isn't on the battlefield yet, thus giving Tauriel an unlikely connection to Lorien)

Concerning the spellbook summon, it can remain unchanged (it would summon some Mirkwood Guards nonetheless), or it may be replaced by some healing spell. What do you think about it?


--- Ende Zitat ---

As Dáin already wrote above, a similar system to the one of the possible new Erebor's Scout Hero wouldn't be unique anymore.
Also, despite this important issue, I honestly don't like this kind of implementation of Tauriel at all, for more than one reason.

1. Legolas, both in his previous life and in the War of the Ring, has always been a very 'independent' hero and 'complete' on his own, with iconic abilities and a strong characterisation as a free and quite 'untamed' nature-type hero; someone that (as we saw in LOTR and the Hobbit) could easily fight in Mirkwood, Rohan and Gondor without a radical change or modification of its nature or general style.
And this is well reflected in the BFME games, where Legolas has abilities primarily focused on himself only.
It thus wouldn't be appropriate, I think, making a comparison or analogy (even the slightest) with a definitely not independent hero like Cursed Théoden, or Dwarves that are part of a Company and necessarily bound to each other.

2. Before being a friend/beloved one of Legolas, Tauriel is the Chief of the border Guards of Mirkwood, and this aspect should rightly be the priority in a military-based game, with her fighting alongside her soldiers.

3. The free spirit of Tauriel is very well shown in the current summoning spell, as she can appear from nowhere (let's say that she unexpectedly appears from the dark Woods of her Realm) with her Guards.

4. Via the current implementation, we have the possibility of hearing the evocative and iconic sound of the Horn of Mirkwood, which rightly marks the difference between Mirkwood itself and Lothlórien.
Also, I am very fond of this particular sound for a couple of other reasons...  :P

5. Finally, I strongly believe that there could and should be other possible smart and unique ways of implementing a hero, and not necessarily including everyone as a permanent hero than can be recruited anytime and anywhere in your Castle or Ourpost.
And, in this case, the summoning option has definitely proven to be the most suitable one, I guess, instead of your quite complicated Life-Death boundary to Legolas.

Saluti  :)

Ealendril der Dunkle:
The poll has now been closed after a known Moddb user created around 16 accounts in order to influence the result in his desired direction (Tauriel as permanent). The current result is:
Tauriel as permanent (45.5%)
Tauriel as summoned (54.5%)
We do not know how much the result was influenced, but it was definitely influenced toward "Tauriel as permanent". We accept the result as it is and want to thank all users who voted and discussed in this thread.
The result shows that we are right with our concept and Tauriel remains as summoned in the spellbook.

It was a very interesting experience for us and we will certainly launch similar polls someday again. But in the ende it is very frustrating that some people can't accept that other people have a different opinion then them and influence such polls according to theyre wishes.

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