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Erebor Scout Hero
« am: 9. Okt 2015, 21:31 »
Here are the results of the brainstorming so far:
Ealendril and KingDainIronFoot;
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We don't want to include non-canon and invented heroes. That's why i asked him for a better suggestion than Bilbo.
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If we talk about canon based Scouts for Erebor I think Dori or Nori can be good choices.... we saw how was Bilbo after letting the Ring go and he doesn't look like capable Scout
Now comes Ealendril's spontaneous brainstorm  [ugly]
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Spontaneous idea: maybe a double with Dori and Nori? Dori will be guarded (with slave-system) by Nori. If Dori dies, you will be able to controll Nori. If both are dying, Dori can be rebuild in the citadel.
You will always recruit Dori as the mainly hero, who will be guarded by Nori.
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_But what will happen with Old Bilbo,we should find a place for him somewhere!?
_Thats the mainly question

Now Bilbo ideas:
Old Bilbo to Imladris:
He can be in spellbook with a few hobbits units or as temporary protection of hobbit farm. :P
Bilbo could be a summon of one of the Erebor heroes : he could be a "memory" of the Erebor quest or so xD
Me  xD
I think he might be used for Imladris this way: you get him from the Hobbit farm (or somewhere else) he is the usual Bilbo. However, he "studies" all the scripts and books of Imladris, so he will be able (maybe make him able to enter library) to provide some spellbook recharge bonus, or a passive exp multiplier for nearby/all heroes.
Basically something related to him, after he finally settled in Imladris, studying all the knowledge and history that is stored there.

Now let's decide together the fate of Erebor's scout!

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #1 am: 9. Okt 2015, 21:50 »
I am all for the awesome idea of Ea and I think Dori and Nori can usr their Erebor Light Armor(Regal Clothes) :-) from BotFA !?And they could be even get the Regal Armor at certain Level as a representation that they are capable warriors ready to defend Erebor when needed but I doubt the Team will like that idea cuz it will be too Heavy Armor for mere Scouts! :-)
While Old Bilbo I really am having hard time on finding proper place for him yeat alone role and abilities :D
But as someone mentioned may be part of some Library Building giving Exp Bonuses to Heroes !? :-)
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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #2 am: 9. Okt 2015, 21:57 »
Come to think about it, the hero exp thing might conflict with Elrond's special power of giving advice  and insight to heroes :/

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #3 am: 9. Okt 2015, 22:08 »
Yeah,I completely forgot about that,my fault there,my apologize! :-)
Bilbo may have some Moral boost from the Building or Healing with Hobbit Tea  [uglybunti]
Sorry I am not joking with bad intention but I am just in a dead end with Old Bilbo! :(
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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #4 am: 9. Okt 2015, 22:09 »
I like the idea that Dori and Nori in regal armour become scout hero(es) for Erebor. Bilbo really didn't fit there.

About Imladris Bilbo, I quite like hoho96's idea, that he could enter the Library and support the faction in kinda the similar was as Erestor. Only I don't like him being built from the farm, Library/Citadel is far more appropriate in my opinion.

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #5 am: 9. Okt 2015, 22:19 »
i think bilbo should be in imladris

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #6 am: 9. Okt 2015, 22:21 »
Well I am glad you like the Regal Armor thing but they should get it as Leveling up but as I said the Team probably won't like the idea for Scouts getting Heavy Armor! :-)Although Bilbo Mithril Mail is quite "Heavy" Armor by itself :D

And yeah I think Citadel is more appropriate for Old Bilbo!And the idea for Spell Timer reducing is really good and well explained bu getting knowledge form Imladris Libraries! :-)
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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #7 am: 9. Okt 2015, 22:23 »
I agree on both concepts (placing Bilbo in Imladris and replacing his scout role with Dori and Nori). However, making him a permanent hero would have the same issue with Tauriel, he wouldn't have a useful role, because Gildor is already the scout for Imladris. So I'll definitely go for the hobbit summon idea

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #8 am: 9. Okt 2015, 22:29 »
Yeah permanent Hero can be a problem indeed thats why I suggested to bind him on top of some building may be similar to Denethor! :-)
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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #9 am: 9. Okt 2015, 23:27 »
However, making him a permanent hero would have the same issue with Tauriel, he wouldn't have a useful role, because Gildor is already the scout for Imladris. So I'll definitely go for the hobbit summon idea
Well he should definitely NOT be a scout (that's why he's replaced in Erebor in the first place).  He's -as someone said- sort of a bonus hero.

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #10 am: 9. Okt 2015, 23:33 »
I really like very much the idea of Bilbo being active in Rivendell, primarily focused on 'studying' and Knowledge in general.
Imladris is definitely significant for Bilbo, a last 'preparatory' place of retirement, before his final 'Journey' to the West  :)

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #11 am: 10. Okt 2015, 04:08 »
I definitely agree with making the Erebor scout hero Dori/Nori. As for Rivendell, there is 1 thing nobody seems to have questioned yet, what would happen if Elrond ended up with the Ring? With that influence constantly nearby gnawing away at Bilbo's mind, bad things might happen. It could be a system similar to Lothlorien, where he can only be recruited once Elrond has the Ring, and then Elrond could give it to Bilbo or Bilbo maybe would steal it from him, something along these lines. 

For example, you could synergize his hunger for knowledge in the library with some unique Ring hero powers, that make the spellbook powers recharge insanely fast, like 75% faster. Or you could make him give a global recharge time bonus to all ability timers on all units. With this method, he wouldn't be a very powerful fighter in his own right, but would still stack up in terms of the damage you could inflict due to all your units getting improved abilities with faster recharge times. That's my idea for him anyways.
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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #12 am: 10. Okt 2015, 06:36 »
Should it be always a heroe? I mean, those guys (Dori & Nori) were not scouts! heck! they arrived even later than Dwalin!!

If these guys were almost everytime together, why dont we create a battalion of five-six guys (like a mini heroe-horde) able to hide & if necessary create ground traps or something like that, also being faster than common dwarves.


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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #13 am: 10. Okt 2015, 09:25 »
Should it be always a heroe? I mean, those guys (Dori & Nori) were not scouts! heck! they arrived even later than Dwalin!!

If these guys were almost everytime together, why dont we create a battalion of five-six guys (like a mini heroe-horde) able to hide & if necessary create ground traps or something like that, also being faster than common dwarves.
Because it will create a lot of technical problems. And it's sort of boring anyway. A hero is always preferred.

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #14 am: 10. Okt 2015, 18:31 »
Bilbo in a healing spell is good idea, he could just show up sorrounded by pipe weed's smoke cloud which will heal all alies nearby.  [ugly]

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #15 am: 11. Okt 2015, 12:26 »
Then he should be known as Bilb the High (if you get what I mean)!!  [uglybunti]

Now weed jokes aside! ;)
If Dori and Nori are made Erebor Scouts I suggest for them to use their BotFA Clothes like this...



I just couldn't find better Image of Nori in his Erebor Outfit! :( For now! ;)

And if by any chance the Team desides to give them Heavy Armor in some way!




The only thing that bothers me is that their Weapons which are Two Handed Maces just doesnt seem as a Scout Weapons or logical to carry around when you need to run like hell around the Map  [ugly]

If some one has suggestions for their Weapons being Axes,Short Swords or anything more apropriate feel free to share them here,I hope! :)

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #16 am: 17. Okt 2015, 02:15 »
I love that you guys want to put old Bilbo in a scholar position/theme in my favourite faction, Imladris, but I think he should not have spellbook related powers. Even as a scholar, writer, and poet, Bilbo doesn't have any power or knowledge about elven magic, so I think he should stay away from the spellbook. Leave the spellbook for the sages and mages of Imladris.

I suggest instead that he could be a building feature instead of a hero, by buying an upgrade you could get Bilbo wandering inside Imladris castle or around the Library building (or whatever building he would be attached to) and by selecting him or the part of the building he ought to occupy you would have access to his power(s). I suggest for those to be primary minor Hero Supporter abilities with the theme of singing or reciting poetry or Ian Holm's voice saying something about the history of Middle-Earth. I remember reading in Fellowship that Bilbo often presented his literary works in Elrond's Hall of Fire to elves' delight. To be sure, Bilbo's abilities should be minor.

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #17 am: 17. Okt 2015, 03:18 »
On Nori and Dori, let's look on what we actually know of these characters in order to attest if they really are a good scout choice:
Tolkien gave little concrete characteristics to most of the dwarves, but we have a bit more of descriptions of their concepts from the movies.

What we have on them:

Dori

Nori

From the start, while reading the thread, I never thought the character of Dori (as I've read of him before and seen in the movie) could make a good scout. About that studio description of him, that was released in the early production of AUJ, and I think we should really disregard it. I don't see good examples to support the statement that he's "the strongest in the company", mainly with the comparison of Dwalin and Thorin kicking ass throughout the films. There's no relevant scene showing his supposed physical might, heck he doesn't even look stronger than the other dwarves, but I'm not saying he's weak either.
Even though he's older and thus probably more experienced and wiser than his brothers, Dori's main trait, beyond his pessimism, is being protective of others. In the book he's described as helping Bilbo and getting him out of harm's way. In the film this situation is changed a bit as he's shown protective of his little brother Ori, not Bilbo. But still, more than once PJ makes reference to his role in the book with lines like "I thought he was with Dori!", depicting like it's his responsability to care for the hobbit. There's another relevant trait of Dori, he's shown as being slower than the other dwarves, a trait that doesn't fit a scout at all, and which makes sense given his age.
It's mentioned in the film (and I think in the book too) that many of those characters aren't warriors, they are miners, tinkers, merchants, toy-makers and that there are only a few warriors amongst them, and I don't think Dori is one. If you ask me, he looks like a distinguished old fellow playing an artisan or merchant role in dwarven society, that's my interpretation of his general appearance and demeanor.

Still, I don't think that that's necessarily reason enough to get off with him as a scout, just that he should not be the lead scout, but that he should play the guardian role of the duo, as befits his protective personality

On Nori, well now there's a good one, it's stated in his movie profile concept that Nori is a shady dwarf, like a dwarven rogue, I should think. He's elusive and quick-witted, both traits that befit a scout. I would dare say that he's also wuick of pace, a good characteristic to get out of trouble when running from authorities. I believe Nori should be the lead scout using his two knives as in this poster art:

I really like the dwarven regal armours as well @LordDainIronFoot but, as you well said, they don't fit a scout concept. I for one wouldn't like to see these heroes wearing such heavy armor, at least not as scouts.
I hope that you guys like my input.

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #18 am: 22. Okt 2015, 17:29 »
thror should be the king,  we already have king dain, i like iron hills king dain mor, i think thror from the movie would be nice [uglybunti]

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #19 am: 22. Okt 2015, 17:33 »
thror should be the king,  we already have king dain, i like iron hills king dain mor, i think thror from the movie would be nice [uglybunti]


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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #20 am: 22. Okt 2015, 18:29 »
Finally, we decided to include Old-Nori as a new scout hero for Erebor. You will be able to play him in the next patch 4.2. I do not want to reveal too much, let yourself surprise. And of course, Dori will also be used in some way. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!
« Letzte Änderung: 23. Okt 2015, 00:16 von Ealendril »

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #21 am: 22. Okt 2015, 18:38 »
thror should be the king,  we already have king dain, i like iron hills king dain mor, i think thror from the movie would be nice [uglybunti]

First this thread is about Erebor SCOUT hero. Your comment has nothing related to that.
Second Thror will NEVER be part of  any of the factions for reasons that has been said a billion time; Thror was already dead for 60 years at the time of the Hobbit, the Erebor faction is not even set at the time of the Hobbit but during WotR where Dain was the King and one of, if not THE, most important Dwarven figure at that time after Gimli.

Now I'm very tempted to delete your post altogether, since apparently you didn't bother to read the title of the thread in the first place, and I probably will later on...

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #22 am: 22. Okt 2015, 19:26 »
I have to say that after release of 4.2 , i am not going to play elves first ,, Really looking forwar to new addiction for dwarves. Keep up the good work Edain :)

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #23 am: 22. Okt 2015, 19:54 »
Yeah, @ringbearer hahahaha I feel the same. I was going to ask in moddb (because things there get buried easily) what people are going to play first in Edain 4.2
I myself think I'm going for Ered Mithrin first in order the to leave the best (and biggest) addition to the mod in the form of Lórien for later.
I'm also happy that the Team decided to implement Nori as the scout ^__^
Keep up the good work, guys, you're awesome!

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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #24 am: 22. Okt 2015, 20:18 »
Great news, can't wait to see what you guys have done!  8-)


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Re: Erebor Scout Hero
« Antwort #25 am: 24. Okt 2015, 00:03 »
Finally, we decided to include Old-Nori as a new scout hero for Erebor. You will be able to play him in the next patch 4.2. I do not want to reveal too much, let yourself surprise. And of course, Dori will also be used in some way. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!

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