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Skeeverboy:
Than is the main problem not that the dwarvens have no cavallery. The Problem is, that the Battle Wagons are to weak.

What is to weak by the Wagons?
-Is the Damage to weak?
-Is the Speed to low?
-Is the Healt to low?
-Is the cost to high?

NetoD20:

--- Zitat von: Skeeverboy am 17. Okt 2015, 20:18 ---Than is the main problem not that the dwarvens have no cavallery. The Problem is, that the Battle Wagons are to weak.

What is to weak by the Wagons?
-Is the Damage to weak?
-Is the Speed to low?
-Is the Healt to low?
-Is the cost to high?

--- Ende Zitat ---

They are weak for the fact that they are a single-unit battalion, one that can be easily destroyed, while a regular cavalry battalion can manage to be saved even with one returning rider down on his health. That can only be solved by a multiple-rider battalion, like the Ram Riders.

CragLord:
Everything is weak Skeeverboy...
And about rams:
http://postimg.org/image/62a3jvrxf/full/Interesting argument that ram riders are non canon ... although Lord of the rings online has rights only to books ... and interesting argument that Ram rider is "Pj's product" ... when Moria expansion pack comes from 2007 ...

Fredius:

--- Zitat von: Skeeverboy am 17. Okt 2015, 20:18 ---Than is the main problem not that the dwarvens have no cavallery. The Problem is, that the Battle Wagons are to weak.

What is to weak by the Wagons?
-Is the Damage to weak?
-Is the Speed to low?
-Is the Healt to low?
-Is the cost to high?

--- Ende Zitat ---

No, that is not the problem of the Wagon at all. As said the main role of the battle wagon is that it has a support role, meaning they make other units stronger in battle. You can't just make a support unit very strong because that would make him too overpowered, which would destroy the balance of the game.

And please excuse my habit to use historical references; but the usage of war chariots (and thus battlewagons) declined because during the medieval ages the more developed usage of soldiers on horseback (so Ram riders as well) and pike tactics rendered the warwagons useless.

http://www.ancient.eu/chariot/

Skeeverboy:
I think we have the following Problem:
The Battle Wagon is a Unit with needs very much micro, more as a normal hero.

Multiplayer player how I liked units very much which needs more micro, for example Battle Wagons or heroes how Celeborn, because so we can improve our skill and use them better in every situation. This units aren't easy to use, but more often you use them they will be very much stronger as macro units.

Singleplayer players liked units with macro more, for example normal cavallery or heroes how Gandalf. This units are very easy to use and don't need very much skill to be good.

That means:
Multiplayer player liked Battle Wagons more, Singleplayer player want normal cavallery.


--- Zitat ---and pike tactics rendered the warwagons useless.
--- Ende Zitat ---
When I say that this isn't so, every good Multiplayer player will give me right, and all Singleplayer players will say that I'm wrong. :D

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