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Dain@:
Hello !sorry for my English xD Updates are smart! (**) I have only two questions: The first is how to deal with the ability to devastate if there are no trees on the map, and the second one is more important - the Orthanck tower is super - but what abilities will there be, and it seems to me that it would be great if you remove the lightning from Saruman when He is outside the tower, and leave only when he is in the tower !, and the lightning can replace it with something ??? After all, it is duplicated, and it would be great if the skills were slightly different! This would add a little variety, and secondly that the most important thing would be changing tactics when playing for Isengard! The player will have different properties and abilities depending on how he uses Saruman, in the tower or on the front line. What do you think?

Walküre:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to undermine his character, whose relevance in the lore I have always admired. It's true that Saruman being manipulated is not very much evident and that the wizard did have his own plans, but we shouldn't forget that Sauron is the master of intrigues and deceit; the Dark Lord doesn't have allies, but only servants or puppets (consider the word in its broadest meaning) whom he moves as pawns for his real designs. This is how the Lord of Mordor thinks and acts, leaving very little space for unexpected circumstances. As I pointed out, this is presumably the subtlest, most powerful and most terrible form of control, since the victim has the illusion of acting as his conscience dictates, while being just a pawn in the master's chessboard. Fact that doesn't discredit Saruman's role at all; it just reinforces Sauron's. A sort of parallelism with the treachery of the Rings of Power: unbeknownst to him, the Three had been forged and never tainted by the Evil, yet Sauron had made it like the secret formula (common to all Rings) would subjugate all other possible artefacts of that kind (being him aware or not of their existence), should a ruling Ring have been created. Henceforth, in spite of one's own independent moves, everyone would be held captive of his grand scheme.

I was just making an attempt to find a sort of balance. Neither Saruman fooling Sauron nor the wizard being a complete puppet could be appropriate interpretations for the case. That's why we need the old and good art of compromising, in this particular context.

Trapper:
There should be trees on every official Edain Map. If not please tell us in the map bugs forum.

We won't tell you the specific details, cause we want you to still be able to discover things when the update comes out.
So stay curious ;)

lordoflinks:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  2. Mai 2017, 13:17 ---Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to undermine his character, whose relevance in the lore I have always admired. It's true that Saruman being manipulated is not very much evident and that the wizard did have his own plans, but we shouldn't forget that Sauron is the master of intrigues and deceit; the Dark Lord doesn't have allies, but only servants or puppets (consider the word in its broadest meaning) whom he moves as pawns for his real designs. This is how the Lord of Mordor thinks and acts, leaving very little space for unexpected circumstances. As I pointed out, this is presumably the subtlest, most powerful and most terrible form of control, since the victim has the illusion of acting as his conscience dictates, while being just a pawn in the master's chessboard. Fact that doesn't discredit Saruman's role at all; it just reinforces Sauron's. A sort of parallelism with the treachery of the Rings of Power: unbeknownst to him, the Three had been forged and never tainted by the Evil, yet Sauron had made it like the secret formula (common to all Rings) would subjugate all other possible artefacts of that kind (being him aware or not of their existence), should a ruling Ring have been created. Henceforth, in spite of one's own independent moves, everyone would be held captive of his grand scheme.

I was just making an attempt to find a sort of balance. Neither Saruman fooling Sauron nor the wizard being a complete puppet could be appropriate interpretations for the case. That's why we need the old and good art of compromising, in this particular context.

--- Ende Zitat ---
Hence my suggestions:
"Saruman of Many Colours consorts with Sauron through the Palantir. Permanently gains +50% magic damage, -25% cooldown on all skills and +1000 lifepoints."
or
"Saruman of Many Colours falls under the influence of Sauron. Permanently gains +50% magic damage, -25% cooldown on all skills and +1000 lifepoints."

They still acknowledge the connection between Saruman and Saruron through the slightly more subtle line of "consorts with Sauron through the Palantir" or the fairly blunt "falls under the influence of Sauron." They also manage to avoid the word puppet and its connotations and thus I believe one of them strikes the compromise we need between acknowledging Saruman's agency and highlighting the subtle nature of the manipulations of the Dark Lord.   

Dain@:
I wanted to offer an addition to the ability of an icy rain: what about the addition of an effect - 25% visibility and damage to the archers. After all, in fact, the rain worsens the visibility and range of archers. And it will be just like in the film at the siege of Helm's Deep. I think that if you unite these two effects, Isengard will get a really powerful attacking ability and then no one can resist the iron fist of Saruman  [uglybunti] [uglybunti] [uglybunti]. What do you think ???


As for Saruman, he was neither a puppet of Sauron at the same time, it all depends on which side to look at? The marionette was because in any case to get the ring as Saruman wanted, he had to destroy the free people and create an alliance with Sauron. On the other hand, he was deceiving the Nazgul and partly Sauron, although Sauron knew about the betrayal of Saruman. DieWalküre is right about psychological subtlety, but Saruman still had free will, he was simply hampered by his insanity about getting a ring and pride that ruined him. It seems to me that to get an answer to the questions of a puppet whether Saruman should first answer the following question: What if his army would have won Rohan? What's next, how would he act ??? He would have helped Sauron with the siege of Minas Tirith or .... ??? Here is the answer: what and how would he act ???

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