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--- Zitat von: koh11 am  1. Jul 2016, 11:44 ---I have played around with Gandalf in Edain Mod quite a bit and he feels quite weak. His Wizard blast does almost no damage except to very weak enemies such as orcs and the same goes for Word of Power. This combined makes it feel like quite a waste of 3000 resources. I heard there was also a bug of magic damage not scaling with levels. Would that have to do with why his two abilities feel so weak?

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No. The scaling issue will be solved in the next update  :)

Besides, I think we had better continue this debate in the appropriate balance thread of this board; this topic is in fact primarily focused on balance, rather than actual suggestions. I will merge this thread with Gondor Balance Discussion.

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Odysseus:
G'day,

I have some small suggestions for Boromir and Faramir. There has been some talk that Boromir is a little mediocre for his price. While I don't necessarily agree, I think this might give him a little boost: Move his ''Horn of Gondor'' to level 2 instead of 3, and his ''Heir of Gondor'' to level 4 from level 5. I am sure that this is not balance-breaking in anyway, and might be a nice little quality of life improvement so to speak. Boromir is a very fun hero to use, but his use is a little limited.

Another suggestion that was already made, but that I would like to show my support for, would be allowing the player to control Boromir during his ''Last Stand'' ability, but this might be more significant.

For Faramir, his leadership says it is unlocked at level 6, but instead unlocks at level 4. Faramir's leadership is considerably more powerful than his brother, even though they ultimately come at the same cost and Faramir's at one level earlier too. My suggestion is simple: Switch his leadership with his mount ability. Thus, mount at level 4, leadership at level 6.

Thoughts?

FG15:
Faramir's leadership tooltip is outdated, apparently our testers have missed it so far.
He grants only +30% damage to infantry and +30% armor to cavalry instead of +50%. Also he grants no speed buff. Comparing direct combat strength therefore Boromirs leadership is considerably more powerfull than his brothers. What makes Faramir's leadership really strong is the fear resistance, as he is Gondor's main source for that. So it has to be on a lower level.

Odysseus:
I noticed something in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRSsEfnd1jg
Gandalf's shield against monsters and heroes disappears after two hits and is quite buggy overall.

The thing is, I don't know if it is a bug or an intended balance decision. Any clarification possible?

koh11:
Gandalf still feels pretty weak. He has trouble killing most units with Wizard Blast except for orcs and really weak tier units. Even when he hits level 10, his word of power is utter crap. First of all it doesn't even kill most units, second of all it just knocks them back and they get up again and continue like nothing happened. It pretty much kills the whole point of getting the White Wizard...you are just better off getting Aragorn who not only has more survivability but actually does better at killing units. Lightning Sword is okay, if not borderline on the better side...standard B4me2 I guess, though I wouldn't mind if splash were added to it similar to Unofficial Patch 2.02.  Istari Light still does good damage while his Bubble Shield is just borderline sh*t in comparison to Thranduil's bubble shield (Idk what Edain team was thinking on that one).

I would really suggest buffing his wizard blast and word of power in damage so atleast its useful not just against the weakest units in the game. His Bubble shield needs a definite improvement imo...at-least to the point its actually good for something.

For Gondor when two of your main heroes feel absolute crap/worthless, it honestly takes the whole fun out of playing for me as Gondor has always been one of my fav factions. The other hero I am talking about is Boromir which most definitely isn't worth 1800 resources for how fast he dies. He's good with his shield ability but other than that absolutely horrible for 1800 considering how Edain Team classifies him as a "Tank". Please please, please take a look at Gandalf, he feels very underwhelming and the damage per level buff feels almost unnoticable.

This is just a suggestion but for Berethor I think his level 10 ability is way too overpowered and maybe he should just have that interaction with Faramir, to better represent the lore. Could maybe make Berethor a support hero for Faramir alone to better supplement him. Also this is just my input but I liked having Denethor only as a fort hero, that and he's overpowered I feel with his constant spam of summoning units...which makes absolutely no sense lore-wise or game-wise.

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