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Mordor Balance Discussion

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CragLord:
I agree with you Elite about current "troll" situation.
Only I don't agree about arrow damage.
I think arrow damage should me moderate to this unit, not high, but moderate is ok in mu opinion.
If troll is upgraded with armor, then arrow damages should be reduced because of consistency terms, but if troll isn't upgraded with battle armor, I think arrows should deal decent damage to it.

Regards,
CragLord

Melkor Bauglir:
I totally agree that trolls should be buffed a bit, eventhough in my opinion one of their main problems is their godawful handling (already explained this thought and it's a quite long one so I won't repeat it). However I think that arrows should still be a weakness of trolls even of armored ones. The thing is if you play this unit with the according micro you can absolutely prevent them from running into pikes and getting crush-revenged for the most part (just press S directly after engaging enemies)-after that every infantry unit without knockback resistance can't attack, because it's continuesly knocked down. This isn't much of a problem as long as there are only a couple of trolls, but it becomes a total deathball after they exceed a certain number, because melee infantry is just not able to attack any more (even if it won't die directly -they just can't counterattack).
Therefore they should still be sort of vulnerable against arrows, the only thing they are massively to weak against are building-arrows.

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

Hamanathnath:
I agree with CragLord, arrow damage against an Not Upgraded Troll shouldn't be nonexistent.  Basic Archers should be able to do small damage, while Elite Archers deal medium damage.  When the troll is upgraded, however, I think normal arrow damage against it should be very small, to be consistent with Heavy Armour.   You should have to use Upgraded Arrows do deal more damage to the upgraded ones with your archers.

I don't think this would make Mountain Trolls too good.  Heroes still do a lot of damage to them, which also should be lowered in my opinion, but not that much, I just think the weaker heroes shouldn't as good as they are on them, and stronger heroes shouldn't completely wreck Upgraded Trolls in 2 or so hits. 

Does anyone think that the Mountain Trolls should keep the ability to trample?  I really don't see anyone ever use a troll to trample enemies, and it usually just gets trolls insta-killed by pikes, but maybe I'm wrong and people like it.

I still think that with the buffs, Trolls should have a price increase.  800 or 900 would be fine. 

Odysseus:
I'd go for 700 rather. 800-900  makes them closer to Ents. I doubt that's needed. They are already quite an investment. I do agree that they are a bit too vulnerable to crush revenge damage done by pikes, because of their weird method of trampling.

Hamanathnath:

--- Zitat von: Odysseus am  6. Jan 2016, 23:32 ---I'd go for 700 rather. 800-900  makes them closer to Ents. I doubt that's needed. They are already quite an investment. I do agree that they are a bit too vulnerable to crush revenge damage done by pikes, because of their weird method of trampling.

--- Ende Zitat ---
I would agree with you on the price, but remember that the price of Trolls can be reduced by Slaughter Houses, while the price of Ents can't change as far as I'm aware.  I would also like to see people use Slaughter Houses more often. 

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