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Dwarven Balance Discussion

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Dain@:

Hello ! Sorry for my English !. I wanted to share with you a few observations and suggestions. The first is the imbalance in fractions! I have repeatedly said that the Ered Luin the strongest fraction of all troh gnomes! And it's not because the Ered Luin so strong, but because of the Iron Hills and Erebor no worthy leader!. With the advent of the Iron Hills in Narin developers have strengthened the position of the Iron Hills in terms of the characters and their applications! However, the only weak point of the Iron Hills in my opinion it Dain! since it does not reflect its character as a warrior and leader. A Erebor yield on two fronts: the first weak Dain, (sometimes it seems to me that is stronger than either Thorin together Dain) and Erebor only 4 hero. What is most interesting Dain internal competition loses his son Thorin! (I do think he is stronger and cheaper, as the Witch-king of Angmar weaker Zafragor). Confirmation of my words can probably be something that most players play for Ered Luin and the Iron Hills, and for Erebor not really. I propose to add a fifth character Erebor Balin and Thorin to replace him fourth on the ability of the defense. (As long as he has not yet decided what it should be), and as Dain then maybe you will be interested (). What do you think?

And yes, I totally agree with Julio229. Dain is the only character playing for which I totally do not want to get the ring! On the contrary ring leads him to fully unfit for action and makes keeping Dain inside the base as a sacred calf!

I sincerely hope that these facts will help to start a new discussion on the further development of the Dwarves faction. Thank you for attention.

Dain@:
And I almost forgot if anyone is interested https://modding-union.com/index.php/topic,34206.0.html

WarOfTheRingVeteran:
I think the fire arrows upgrade should be somewhat cheaper for Erebor. IH and EL have archers that are normally recruited in the camp/castle, but Erebor gets access to archers only via its outpost, yet they pay the same price for them.

Also forged blades could be more expensive for Erebor since ranged units benefit from it as well as melee units. Or cheaper for the other two. Or both.

calixoxx:
Some thoughts on the Dwarves: it seems each of the three sub-factions have specific OP issues with them which makes each subfaction extremely OP when exploited.

For example:

Ered Luin's Thorin is very OP and he either needs an armor reduction or a health reduction. Also I think it is a little silly that the speed buff allows the Dwarves to move as fast as Elves ^^

Erebor: Is a little odd because it's units are so weak but the axe thrower power is so crazy strong vs EVERYTHING that when it gets going its very OP. I don't know if these need a debuff vs structures or a debuff vs other units. Also, Thorin 3rd is way too strong a hero.

Iron Hills: Yes, they are slow but the armor on these and resistance to knockback is so strong that I've seen a spam of basic unupgraded infantry wreck an entire base. Upgraded, you just cant kill these units. I think they need a minor armor debuff.

A few other things:

Are battle wagons too expensive or is it just me? The armor vs pikes is also a little too weak imo

I would like to see the elite veterans given a slight speed buff. I feel as if, yes they are strong, but especially if you're ered luin, you can do what you need to do without them before they even are able to get there ^^

Elite KryPtik:
Ditto, he's called Thorin Brokenshield for a reason. Although, his real strength comes from other heroes giving him leaderships, by himself he is managable. I agree their speed is a bit insane, should probably be as fast as Men, not Elves.

Overall Erebor actually sucks pretty bad right now, the only redeeming quality is the Axe Throwers, who can dominate early game, and obviously Thorin the 3rd who is insanely strong. Once ite gets to late game they fail against most other factions though. so overall they need buffs more than anything.

This really comes from all the armor leaderships, plus tower shields. Ditto nontheless, they are too tanky.

I think battlewagons are in a good spot, bordering on being too strong actually. They have practically no trample deceleration at all, and the barrels deal good damage too.

Well, since this only comes up with Ered Luin, I don't think they should get a speed buff, if anything Ered Luin should be a bit slower.

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