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calixoxx:

--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 12. Jan 2017, 21:15 ---Ditto, he's called Thorin Brokenshield for a reason. Although, his real strength comes from other heroes giving him leaderships, by himself he is managable. I agree their speed is a bit insane, should probably be as fast as Men, not Elves.

Overall Erebor actually sucks pretty bad right now, the only redeeming quality is the Axe Throwers, who can dominate early game, and obviously Thorin the 3rd who is insanely strong. Once ite gets to late game they fail against most other factions though. so overall they need buffs more than anything.

This really comes from all the armor leaderships, plus tower shields. Ditto nontheless, they are too tanky.

I think battlewagons are in a good spot, bordering on being too strong actually. They have practically no trample deceleration at all, and the barrels deal good damage too.

Well, since this only comes up with Ered Luin, I don't think they should get a speed buff, if anything Ered Luin should be a bit slower.

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Get just 3 battalions of upgraded axethrowers and there is little to stop them from ripping buildings right down. The only disruption you could give is from cav generally, and a few camped out pikes will solve that issue. I simply argue that axethrowers should not do such universal damage. It's insane to watch upgraded axethrowers rip down an outpost so easily. Especially so few.

My overall point of Dwarves as a whole: They each have a single gameplay that is incredibly OP. You cannot kill even unupgraded Iron Hills. Yes, this even compensates for their slowness. Erebor RIPS through BOTH units AND buildings even when there are few of them. If your teams cav is on the other side of the map and just a few of these upgraded slip by, say goodbye to your buildings in literally seconds. Ered Luin are just a bit too fast as well.

-DJANGO-:

--- Zitat ---My overall point of Dwarves as a whole: They each have a single gameplay that is incredibly OP.
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- Agree with you.

Erebor definitely does not "suck pretty bad". If you look at all the agressive Buffs... just for example King Dain: +50 , +50 Attack! Insane for Edain. Axe Throwers and Ered Luin will most likely get a little nerf in 4.5.

Otherwise there has been long a long discussion in engl. forum about the role of the Dains: The Dain Dilemma
We have to see, if changes will be made. I really hope because right now these extreme conditions are the overkill for dwarven gameplay.

calixoxx:

--- Zitat von: -DJANGO- am 15. Jan 2017, 03:22 ---
--- Zitat ---My overall point of Dwarves as a whole: They each have a single gameplay that is incredibly OP.
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- Agree with you.

Erebor definitely does not "suck pretty bad". If you look at all the agressive Buffs... just for example King Dain: +50 , +50 Attack! Insane for Edain. Axe Throwers and Ered Luin will most likely get a little nerf in 4.5.

Otherwise there has been long a long discussion in engl. forum about the role of the Dains: The Dain Dilemma
We have to see, if changes will be made. I really hope because right now these extreme conditions are the overkill for dwarven gameplay.

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I agree totally. Erebor does not 'suck' its just more easily played against than Iron Hills or Ered Luin currently. My point with Erebor is that each individual axe thrower battalion is so strong, they can actually take out incoming cavalry too! With forged blades, forget it. Glad to hear the axe thrower will get nerfed, I just hope its to both buildings and units.

Elite KryPtik:
Archers and cavalry destroy Erebor. It's not even close. Cav can even beat upgraded Erebor pikes because they suck so bad. The redeeming qualities of Erebor, as I mentioned, are Axe Throwers, Thorin III, and of course Gimli, but other factions get buffs which let them decimate Erebor. Erebor just doesn't have any survivability, its all damage. They are almost like glass cannons, but other factions who have more broad range buffs for both armor AND damage destroy them. A good player can always pull it out, but comparing them to the other factions, Erebor are garbage right now.

Sawman:
I am with Elite here Erebor in comparison to the other dwarf faction does in fact 'suck' they get wrecked by most other factions, with Ered Luin aside because everyone can agree they are stupidly broken because of their ridiculous speed and hero roster, the problem the Edain team did to Erebor and Iron Hills is that they made Erebor all damage and Iron Hills all armor and that just doesn't work in a game like this

Erebor is all about damage which in theory sounds really good but in a game like this if you have no armor you get destroyed by anything and everything, axe throwers and a few hero's do not make up for how easily Erebor units die and should be addressed

Iron Hills on the other hand are supposed to be more defensive and that they are but when a defensive dwarf army becomes this unstoppable steam roller there is nothing any faction aside from Ered Luin and maybe Mordor can do against it. With tower shields, heavy armor, Dain, Guardians armor buff, just creates this unstoppable force and if you even manage to stop it and it is so easy to get it back if you lose it, and I know what you will say, Erebor beats Iron Hills in the building destruction department which might be true but Iron Hills Guardians do really good damage anyway and they can tank base defenses like no other       

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