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Bilbo, oh Bilbo - What happens to you?

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NetoD20:
This is what I wrote on Old Bilbo back in the Erebor Scout thread:


--- Zitat von: NetoD20 am 17. Okt 2015, 02:15 ---I love that you guys want to put old Bilbo in a scholar position/theme in my favourite faction, Imladris, but I think he should not have spellbook related powers. Even as a scholar, writer, and poet, Bilbo doesn't have any power or knowledge about elven magic, so I think he should stay away from the spellbook. Leave the spellbook for the sages and mages of Imladris.

I suggest instead that he could be a building feature instead of a hero, by buying an upgrade you could get Bilbo wandering inside Imladris castle or around the Library building (or whatever building he would be attached to) and by selecting him or the part of the building he ought to occupy you would have access to his power(s). I suggest for those to be primary minor Hero Supporter abilities with the theme of singing or reciting poetry or Ian Holm's voice saying something about the history of Middle-Earth. I remember reading in Fellowship that Bilbo often presented his literary works in Elrond's Hall of Fire to elves' delight. To be sure, Bilbo's abilities should be minor.

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I really detest the idea of Old Bilbo fighting, even from a distant, or venturing outside the gates' of Imladris' castle, for by the time he arrived at Rivendell after forsaking the ring, his adventures were over. As I mentioned above I would have him as an immobile building feature to the Library, by "immobile" I mean only to say that the player wouldn't be able to control his walking, but the character would still stroll about the gardens of Rivendell of his own accord, and would be still be selectable in order to access his abilities.

Thus, being honest, I don't really like @DrHouse93's ideas of the Master Burglar or Experienced Traveler abilities. I agree with @Adrigabbro that Need for the One Ring doesn't really fit Imladris. I also don't like the idea of Old Bilbo sharing or stepping on the roles of Elrond and/or Erestor, that being similar to @hoho96's first option of focusing Old Bilbo on "wisdom" and "studies". Both Teaching of the Halflings and Weaknesses of Monsters are very similar to two of Erestor's abilities in 3.8.1, one in which he gave military council (and thus bonus) against a specifically selected enemy unit and another in which he gave experience to Imladris' farms. I don't think it is fitting for him to have a ability like Weaknesses of Monsters because, for all his adventures, what knowledge about monsters and other enemies could Bilbo provide to the long lived Noldor of Imladris that they do not already have?

Particularly I belive that Old Bilbo's abilities should focus, thematically speaking, not in his studies or wisdom, but in his creations' of literature and poetry. Mind that I'm not saying that Bilbo ins't studious or wise, just that his knowledge seems to me to pale in comparison of the elven scholars' own. I think a focus on his creative side, rather than studious, would do a great deal to make him unique in a faction devoted to knowledge and study.

I think he should be a hero/building feature with abilities toward hero and/or unit support thematically based in his songs, poems, and oration, as is mentioned in Fellowship (and I have already mentioned above) that he presented this pieces in Elrond's Hall of Fire to the elves' delight.

If going in this direction with Old Bilbo, I also think he should have a minor role in Imladris. That he shouldn't have more than three abilities, given that Imladris already has other hero and unit supporters, even though these are thematically different to Bilbo in their abilities.

I am thinking about abilities for Old Bilbo based on the suggestions and concept I made, but I do not wish to convey mechanics that I did not yet thought entirely through. In this case I will only share a general idea:

*Chronicle of Middle-Earth: Bilbo recalls an old story of Middle-Earth and makes it into a poem, it either warns against defeat or elevates the spirit of elves for a new victory. This could positively affect heroes in an area or all the common units inside the castle defending it.

*Adventurous Tale [there can definitely be a better name]: Bilbo narrates one of his old adventures to the humour of the elves, and fills Elrond's halls with joy and laughter.

*Praise to Elbereth Gilthoniel (I think Bilbo really made a song to Varda in Fellowship, but I'm not certain): Bilbo sings a praise to the stars of Elbereth, this soothes the elves in the castle and slowly cures them (by just a bit).

DrHouse93:
Quoting myself xD:

--- Zitat von: DrHouse93 am 27. Okt 2015, 11:44 ---I think this represents Bilbo's personality quite well while he lives on Rivendell: mainly a support figure for Imladris' allies, but with the shadows of the past sometimes resurfacing on the heart of the brave Hobbit. What do you think about it?^^

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Don't misunderstand me, I never intended him as a scout (I'm agree on you on that). Gildor is more than fit for that role. I imagined Bilbo as mainly a hero supporter with some thievery and Ring-greed skills xD (which would make him also slightly useful on the battlefield, and not having him permanently wander in the fortress. After all, he has Tuc blood, and he likes adventures, being also the reason why he left the Shire at the end ;))
Again, he shouldn't have too much damage and armor, because of course he's not a warrior and also he's old. But I also think that making him stay permanently in the fortress and completely uncapable of atleast defend himself wouldn't represent his personality at its most^^

Gandalf The Gray:
i also dont like to see bilbo permanently in the fortress 

kai69:
Maybe making him a summon from the farm, you use it and Bilbo with some elf warriors appear to defend the farm from enemies?

DrHouse93:
@Neto, even if I don't like Bilbo staying in the fortress permanently, I must say I always imagined him as he was when he left the Shire, and I forgot that indeed, as soon as he reaches Rivendell, his adventures are over. And I also agree on giving him a minor role.
Anyway, I'm not convinced by your idea, simply because I think this way Bilbo has a too small minor role. So, what about a mix of our ideas?

So Bilbo will slowly wander inside the Imladris base leaning on a staff (as seen in the Fellowship of The Ring. He could then use Gandalf the Black's animations). The player can't control his movement nor he can make him attack, but he can select him and use his abilities:

- Honorable Guest: Elves of Imladris and Dunedain as well love the presence of Bilbo. If fighting in a small radius close to him, they'll receive +15% damage and armor to protect the old Hobbit. Bilbo stops wandering if there are nearby enemies (this is also pretty limited, since Bilbo can't abandon the fortress, and anyway the radius is very small)

- Teaching of the Halflings (I really love this one. I think this is a modified and maybe more-fitted version): Hobbits love nothing more than things that grow. He teaches Erestor the Halflings' secrets of farming. Erestor is now able to supervise an Hobbit's farm, thus enhancing its production by 30%

- Experienced Traveler: Same as above (remember that Elrond just gives experience, while this is a bonus effect, which wears off after a while. Also, the selected hero must be close inside the fortress, since as I said Bilbo can't leave it)

- Praise to Elbereth Gilthoniel (I like this one, too): Bilbo sings a praise to the stars of Elbereth. This soothes the elves in the castle and slowly cures them

- Need of The One Ring: I have no ideas on how to implement it now with this new system. However, I insist on this one, because as I said, I know it doesn't fit for Rivendell to not seek the Ring, but this doesn't apply to Bilbo, since he's obvious he still has a small need of it, which openly manifest when he's close to it. So I will work on it^^

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