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Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
LordDainIronfoot:
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 28. Okt 2015, 12:55 ---Sorry to be the boring guy, but I still think Iron Hills don't need one additional hero, as I have already stated on moddb.
Briefly, here's why: We don't know much about Iron Hills and therefore that's why I think of this faction as a strong and united army with no leader but Dain (and his son Thorin III).
I don't think Iron Hills will suffer that much having 4 heroes, as they'll get three strong cavalry units, a catapult with global range and (I guess) better units on the outpost, for dwarves are stronger than men of Dale/Laketown. Please don't skip that part: tell me why do you think I'm wrong.
Last but not least, I'd rather have current heroes improved before a new one. Drar and Murin (especially Drar) could use, IMO, some rework ; Thorin III still has the same abilities with Iron Hills and with Erebor and Lord Dain is only pictured inthe mod as a unit supporter even though he's known as a great fighter.
Not to mention that I don't really like the idea of this Narin nor his connection with the Grey mountains, but that's personal taste, not an argument.
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First of all mate,having a different opinion on something doesn't make you "the boring guy" ! ;) You ahve your opinion and I respect that! :)
Now you see Ram Scouts/Cavalry are not Hero wit the same Logic we do not need Imrahil since we have 3 Elite Battalions of Knights of Dol Amroth or similar is the Case with Mordor Riders! :)
I have suggested a smal visual res kin fro Murin,Drar and Thorin III in the past and the Team sai they will think about it so yeah that is done to a degree! :) I too agree that Dain is one of the best Warrior of the Dwrven Race and Middle Earth like whole and need some boost thats why I made a Thread about him Geting a little Boost which you can see in the Dwarven Section and support it if you want! :)
We do not know the strengtht of Ered Mithrin Dwarves but I think the Team mentioned they are as strong as andy Soliders there but with some small Boosts against Monsters so I think they will not be so much stronger than Dale/Lake Town Soldiers for Balacne Reasons may be jsut higher health! :)
Narin is based on Actual Dwarf from the Books and is from Iron Hills we only gave him a name and Abilities so I think he fits perfect as Messanger as in the Books and is really lore friendly! :)
He has not Connection with Ered Mithrin he is not Ered Mithrin Hero he is just Messanger send to Ered Mithrin to deliver Mesaage and brign Reinfrocments thats why he is on the Outppost!! :) Plus no one said that the hero should be done for the next release or soon as possible!The current Heroes are priority and Narin can be created i nthe future when the Team has the time to do it and the wil of course,no on said it do it now! :)
And as Fredius said we can't judge before we see and try !But indeed the Catapult will have limited Role he can't be compared with well versed and moveable Hero at least in my eyes! :) And indeed Ered Luin having twice as Much Heroes than IHs is not very balanced and 1 more IHs Hero will do some justice and will not Ruin the Balance I think!
Cuz try to fight all Ered Luin Heroes with Army against IHs Heroes with Army I think it is not so fair! :)
Thank you for the feedback! :)
Greetings! :)
Adrigabbro:
--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 13:13 ---Now you see Ram Scouts/Cavalry are not Hero wit the same Logic we do not need Imrahil since we have 3 Elite Battalions of Knights of Dol Amroth or similar is the Case with Mordor Riders! :)
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What? I don't understand how it is "the same logic". On the one hand there are three dwarven SUBfactions that need to be balanced : on the other hand you're talking about an entire faction. I mean why would having three battalions of knights of Dol Amroth deny the right to have Imrahil? Nothing in common, sorry but that's non sense. xD
About your other arguments, I'll just stick to "wait and see" and "personal taste". Guess you can't see my ponit and I can't see yours. ^^
EDIT: To make things clear, I'm not a hater of the idea of one more hero. If you manage to give the team an interesting idea, I'll be as glad as you. I'm just satisfied as it is now (or rather as it's gonna be in 4.2) and I haven't found a cool idea yet.
ThorinIIoakenshield:
I will say it again in this forum,iron hills can get a narin which is a captain of dain's elite units.he wil have captain iron hills armour http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/762/761504/thumb_620x2000/Iron_Hills_Captain_Armor.png and his abilities wil be leadership L1,L4 he summons 2 movie design elite troops permanent...L6 ram charge an L10 he summons a battalion of elite movie design with a dwarven chariot as shown in extended scenes
LordDainIronfoot:
--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 28. Okt 2015, 13:25 ---
--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 13:13 ---Now you see Ram Scouts/Cavalry are not Hero wit the same Logic we do not need Imrahil since we have 3 Elite Battalions of Knights of Dol Amroth or similar is the Case with Mordor Riders! :)
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What? I don't understand how it is "the same logic". On the one hand there are three dwarven SUBfactions that need to be balanced : on the other hand you're talking about an entire faction. I mean why would having three battalions of knights of Dol Amroth deny the right to have Imrahil? Nothing in common, sorry but that's non sense. xD
About your other arguments, I'll just stick to "wait and see" and "personal taste". Guess you can't see my ponit and I can't see yours. ^^
EDIT: To make things clear, I'm not a hater of the idea of one more hero. If you manage to give the team an interesting idea, I'll be as glad as you. I'm just satisfied as it is now (or rather as it's gonna be in 4.2) and I haven't found a cool idea yet.
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Caling a nonsense something you can't understand is rude at the least! :) But that aside!What I mean is tha you say we have 3 Cavalry Units so we do not need a Hero,and I gave example how we have 3 Knights of Dol Amroth Cavalry and yet we have a Hero ! :)Same can be said about Imladris and Glorfindel with his Riders! :) now you get what I mean mate!? :)
Isengard can be a prime example how when a faction lack Heroes we can get inspiration fro mthe Movie Non Canon Heroes or some less important Heroes or People from the Book to fill the gap that is left! :) I love Isengard ,so my point is that when we have good Lore Base and yet we lack main and famous Heroes we can use that Base and build on it! :)
I guess it will all depend on the strenght of the ram Riders but as I said i think IHs needs one more Hero!
It is fine if you do not like the Narin idea,it is your right and opinion about that ! :)
But as I have said Narin is based on a Dwarf from Iron Hills in the Book so I think he is much more lore friendly than Murin and Drar even and he can have a place in Edain! :)
--- Zitat von: ThorinIIoakenshield am 28. Okt 2015, 14:14 ---I will say it again in this forum,iron hills can get a narin which is a captain of dain's elite units.he wil have captain iron hills armour http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/762/761504/thumb_620x2000/Iron_Hills_Captain_Armor.png and his abilities wil be leadership L1,L4 he summons 2 movie design elite troops permanent...L6 ram charge an L10 he summons a battalion of elite movie design with a dwarven chariot as shown in extended scenes
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Hte idea is interesting but let's leave it aside,,we all have left behind the Movie Models ideas after long disucssions and fights aroun MU about them!So do not get me wrong I am one of the bigest fan of those Models,BUT let's not turn this Thread into another Edain Models VS Movie Models pointless fight!!That is behind us and lets not start again with that ! :)
Sorry if I sound rude! :) Greetings to all! :)
ThorinIIoakenshield:
Thanks dain,I think that it is very selfish of the ET to make a special map ability so that tauriel is perminant although they were against it,though the ET does not like the movie design they show some great respect to their fans not to even try something to show their thanks to our support...just telling us that THEY don't like it and will not implement it in the mod is some respect don't you think!I think it is ridiculous for us to support them the way we do if they are not even willing to please the community with a compromise to implement thise movie design.dwarves are tough and fierce not cute and cuddly as they are now...Your name is dain ironfoot you should now that we don't stand back from a fight and that if you at first don't succeed...try again all I am trying to say is that we support the edain team a lot,we help them fight mods that stole their ideas but they won't even do something for their community as little as to add a movie design to show their greatfullness towards their fans
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