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New Iron Hills Unique Siege Weapon

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Fredius:

--- Zitat von: Der Dunkle König am  2. Nov 2015, 01:44 ---Sorry, did I ever say anything about the books? The crossbowmen were added to Isengard, because it would have been stupid for the army of Isengard not to have a weapon against the archers on the wall of Helms Deep. In fact, archers and spear-throwers of Isengard were mentioned in the books. They were replaced by crossbowmen to show that Isengard is technologically advanced.
The Galadhrim are a bit more difficult: I think they were added because of dramaturgic reasons. Peter Jackson (or somebody else, I don't know) didn't want the elves to do nothing. They should have their role in the story and not just sit in Lorien and don't care about anything. I don't think that they were added because they look good.

And even if I couldn't convince you about they difference between crossbows/Galadhrim and ballistas: Your argument ist invalid. I could critizise the ballistas for being added because of their appearence and I could do the same with the Galadhrim. How did you know that I like the Galadhrim when you wrote your post? I never said anything about them. I didn't say if I like them now.

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I simply mentioned those things because you complained about the things that were added specifically in the Hobbit movies because they look awesome, but I don't see you complain about LOTR. But I apologise about mentioning the books, I see too many people complaining about the Hobbit Movies because they are not perfectly true to the books, while those people at the same time fail to see that LOTR has the exact same problem, and I'm getting a bit sick of them xD.

And to answer Dain's question, I myself think that they should replace the Catapults and have the same stats as the Isengard Ballista, because we're talking about Giant Iron Ballistas with Iron Bolts, which are perfectly suitable to destroy buildings. A second option that I too like is to add them as fortress expansions.

Der Dunkle König:

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  2. Nov 2015, 02:00 ---Isengard had Ballistas so whats the problem of Dwarves having Ballistas even without the Chain Bolts!?

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I never said that I am against ballistas without chains. I'm not sure if I want them, but if I want them, than the way korner described them.

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  2. Nov 2015, 02:00 ---PJ added Elves for the dramatic effect and to show that Elves actualyl take part in the War for the same reason he could have send Dwarves from Erebor there?

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Dwarves of the Erebor were never introduces to the movie (except Gimli). But Lorien was. The usual audience, that didn't read the books, doesn't know about the Erbor, but it might ask itself why Galadriel doesn't do anything.
You might explain it that way. But in fact what you said isn't really false.

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  2. Nov 2015, 02:00 --- But that aside,PJ added the Dwarven Ballistas to show the inovative and engeering thinking and skills of the Dwarves,since as WETA stated Tolkien do not give full and complete discription of the Iron Hilsl Army and Aramement but rather describes a small Contingent of 500 Elite Veterans and I am avsolutely sure those weren't the Main nor the Whole Iron Hills Army,so PJ and WETA decided to create the culture and the army ofthe Iron Hills to its fullet jsut because Tolkien left a gap there! :)

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The dwarves had to arrive at the mountain very quickly, why should they bring these heavy ballistas? And why did they use them at all, they could have protected themselves with shields and armor.

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  2. Nov 2015, 02:00 ---The use of those Chains is not absolutely and completely impossible!With right engeneering and craftsmanship it is possible but may be with smaller range! :)

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You keep saying that, but nobody ever proved it. I will believe you that the chains are possible when someone presents me a real explanation, how exactly they can work. (But even if that happens I still wouldn't like they ballistas.)

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am  2. Nov 2015, 02:00 ---But we discussed this long time ago and I do not wish to start over again so as I said in my previous comment lets continue the discussion for how and should be the Ballistas included but without the Chains!? :)

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I think you' re right. As I sad, I could imagine small ballistas being implemented as a weapon against single, strong units (trolls, siege weapons). But I personally don't want chains or area-damage.

LordDainIronfoot:
I think the IHs Castle Defence should be their Three Stone Catapults while the Ballista should be use instead of Catapults! :) Being Strong against Buildings and doing some moderate DMG or Knockback to Units! :)


About the Ballistas and thei Speed and slowing Down the Army on this picture you can see evidence that they ahve been actually pulled by Something,being it the Chariots or few Ram Riders we never Know!But they weren't pushed by Dwarves if that is what you mean! :) And as I said PJ just used the opporutny to create a Full and Compelte Dwarven Army since Toolkiend haven't and WETA and PJ even had awesome ideas about Iron Hills Crossbowmans which I bet no one here will like plus Edain uses Crossbows for Ered Luin even thoguh I think Crossbows are more DMG oriented than Short Bows! :) So the Ballsitas were jsut to show the skills of the Dwarves! :)

Well I could begin explaining again how the Chains are possible but too much time adn I already did it,you can look in LOTR Threads if you wish! :)

But still it is possible to be Extra Siege Unit which will be even better but woulnd't it be too much for Dwarves to have so much War Machines,but then again they are Dwarves so it is natural for them to have so...really tough decision for me at least  [uglybunti]

Gandalf The Gray:


--- Zitat von: korner am  1. Nov 2015, 23:30 ---
--- Zitat von: Gandalf The Gray am  1. Nov 2015, 23:26 ---i think the chain idea is awesome

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agree. Gandalf should have a buff


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--- Zitat ---Furthermore, what's the point of this?

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i think he was mocking the topic i did about gandalf  walk

ThorinsNemesis:
In any case, I don't think it would be a good idea if the balista is implemented without replacing the catapult, because then the balista will not be an unique siege weapon for the Iron Hills.
In my opinion the balista from BOTFA should replace the catapult of the Iron Hills; this will give more diversity to the Dwarves and give a chance to the Team to implement something unique for the Iron Hills  :).
By the way, I have heard that Weta was planning to include in the EE Dwarven Crossbowmen, but I have never seen any pictures/concept art of them. If anyone has, can you post a picture of the Iron Hills crossbows by Weta?

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