Edain Demo 4.2 - Your Impressions

[Isilendil]

Dear Isilendil,

free of orcs, which are very strong. Ideas - either increase the price of one unit or make standard orcs weaker.

Free orcs belong to the iconical parts oft BfME. There was no ploblem with them in the unmodded BfME and there is none in EM. Keep in mind that they cannot get any upgrades. Furthermore, the free orcs are balanced over their recruitment time and also the higher costs for Mordor heroes.

2) Morgul Orcs, I think you and know that they are losing the battle in 1x1 standard orcs.

This has to be an error because Morgul orcs have the same stats as the normal ones and in addition to that they are fearless and wear heavy armor.
If they really lose, that has to be a bug.

3) Mirkwood warriors losing in battle to standard elves. But I noticed that next to Thranduil, mikrwood warriors are stronger. If the effect applies only to Mirkwood army, then it's okay. The solution - make the army of Mirkwood immediately available, without upgrades in the fortress of Mirkwood.

Mirkwood warriors belong to a completely different kind of infantry than the Lorien ones, as it was already explained to you. You should not compare them in 1vs1. Mirkwood soldiers are a defensive, static infantry with a wonderful formation to keep your archers safe to deal heavy damage. Lorien soldiers can deal a good amount of damage on there own, while they cannot hold a battle line for long time.

Nazgul. I noticed that you have strengthened equestrian heroes and now they press a lot stronger than before, and for the Nazgul's too good, given its low cost. Not only that the orcs of Mordor free, so also can be purchased for 1100 Nazgul, which can sit on a horse and crush the large army of swordsmen and archers of the enemy.

Well an army withoud spearmen is worthless. Thats your problem. A single unit of Tower Guards is enough to kill a mounted Nazgûl. And the standard spearmen can do it as well, especially in their porcupine formation. Moreover the Nazgûl highly depend on Saurons level and cannot level on their own.

5) The Departed. In Rohan, Theoden is a time to do practical superstrong army of apostates, for this you need to put farmers in a heap. Correct, make up to two units or even one, with increased time.

Keep in mind that they only stay for a limited time. That is their biggest weakness.

6) Skill in the book of spells dwarves for 5 points on a temporary neuzyavimost after death. Gnomes pakticheski invulnerable when fighting near the fountain and is superstrong.

This spell will be reworked in the next version.

Singer. They have a very good effect, and that's fine, but the one I was very concerned about the effect of this effect, which does not fall closest troops, even from the cavalry of Rohan. In practice, if the elves are several singers, then there is no chance of Rohan. Solution - remove this effect, and the others leave.

The singers have no direct damage, a weak armor and low health. They can be killed rapidly. So if you do not want to let them sing, take them down with your special missile attacks (Eomer, Eowyn, Gamling). Each unit in this game has strenghtes and weakneses. Dame goes with the singers who are a really good support unit, but are also extremely vunerable to ennemy attacks.

In my opinion there is no change needed for any of your points, but your will to improve the mod is always welcome!

Greetings
Maraelion

Thank you very much, now I really understood that to come here and it has something no sense, because you deny my every opinion. And my every opinion has been formed through a lot of games, I just play every day on the network, and I know whereof I speak.

I agree only with Mirkwood warrior's

[Odysseus]

He has the right to ''deny'' your opinion with his own opinion. This is how a discussion works Isil.

[Walküre]

Thank you very much, now I really understood that to come here and it has something no sense, because you deny my every opinion. And my every opinion has been formed through a lot of games, I just play every day on the network, and I know whereof I speak.

I agree only with Mirkwood warrior's

No one is denying the opinion of anyone.
In this forum people discuss among themselves, bringing arguments and trying to prove something wrong or right to back a thesis.

Even other people can count on a consolidated experience in the game, but I think it's not really constructive using this kind of arguments as a 'I am absolutely right' statement.

[Mogat]

And if you isil had actually read the post which were written after yours you would have noticed that there actually was a discussion. Declaring it as "senseless" is kind of offending, cause me and some others took their time to write some posts...

[Adrigabbro]

It is probably not the appropriate topic, but since you guys are talking about Mordor changes, I'm a little concerned nobody even mentioned Cirith Ungol orcs... They are incredibly powerful in the current version, regardless of their 0 command point cost.

[Gnomi]

But you have also to think about something different:

Other factions have extremely powerful hero units. Other factions have a unit which is multiple times stronger. Mordor's strength is more the powerful spam - therefore we gave them a unit which costs no cp (therefore no spam), but is a bit less powerful than hero units.
If the unit would be weak, they would just be another unit, but not as impactful as a hero unit.

So just look at them in a different way:
Other factions use some CP to get a really strong unit which kills everything.
Mordor uses normal orcs and Cirith Ungol Orcs to kill everything. If the units wouldn't be powerful, they wouldn't be (together with some more orcs) as powerful as elite units.

[Adrigabbro]

No offense Gnomi, but I do believe you forgot one thing. ^^  While most hero units cost around 1300 golds, Cirith Ungol orcs cost four times less with a couple Slave farms (i.e. every single game in 4.2.1). I always pictured Cirith Ungol units as versatile units (halberders are very polyvalent, black uruks are strong against heavy armor and black archers debuff enemy units) and therefore meant to be an addition to the Mordor orcs core army. I would rather suggest to empower reinforcements from Rhun/Harad as valuable elite units.

PS: If I wanted to nitpick, I'd say that Mordor actually got two hero units (Castellans and Morgul Riders). 

[Maraelion]

Thank you my friends for taking my defense while I was absent.

And Isil, I did not meant to be rude to you, I only expressed my opinion that differs from yours. I played today some games with Mordor and have to agree that their trample damage and also their "trample range" is quite high (could be nerfed), but I still think, that the orcs are ok.
Greetings
Maraelion

[lord_ellessar]

in general i really love this mod, it is why i do maps only with it and all, but i will explain exactly what i love and what i don't...

   like

• 1: the job is generally totally awesome, the models are really nice and all.
• 2: the balance is generally really well done and there is a lot of possibilities for each factions.
• 3: the maps are really nice.
• 4: the team listen their fans and want to satisfy the majority of people.
• 5: The mod is in English even if the whole team is German and I think this is really nice from the team.
• 6: The team is really respectful of the lore of the books, even more than the hobbit movies that should be more respectful!

   unlike

• 1: Some units and heroes should, I personally think it, be reworked, I think especially about the rohan regular units and the units of the fiefdoms, I also don't really like king Dain and the colours of Durin.
• 2: The game can be sometimes repetitive, but I think it could be the basic game that make it like this.
• 3: The heroes are sometimes not enough worked, I'm waiting for the heroes submod
• 4: I think that the CaH mod should be more complete but it's not the most important point.
• 5: The realises take a long time, BUT I think that make a good job take the time needed.
• 6: I would like to see the whole nazguls in armor (I know that it should make inequality but ...).

For the conclusion, I think that even if there are defaults it is probably the best mod I've ever played it deserve his place as the best mod of the year ! Good job edain team, even if I m happy to be able to play this mod for free, I think I could pay the price of a normal game for it. Keep the good work a big kiss on the right rump and all of my support!!!