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Lothlórien Balance Discussion

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Odysseus:
Yes, an answer from a dev xD.

Thanks Lord of Mordor, for the answer. I completely agree with what you have to say. I noticed I hadn't written that down, about simply increasing the CP of the Border Guard house upgrade, even though I intended to and I simply forgot 8-|. Perhaps this is a good first step to try out. The buff could start even smaller if you ask me.

I hope this is not off-topic, but would you be willing to explain how exactly all buildings of the Lothlorien camp level up apart from the systematic growth upgrade? Simply by producing units and research upgrades or is there anything else?

Lord of Mordor:
The structures in Lorien's castle all level over time. This is both blessing and curse: They level up for free while other factions have to pay, but they take longer.

Elite KryPtik:
Thanks for the reply LoM :)

I agree with making the Border Guardhouse grant more CP, at least then you would only have to make 1 of them and could get a different discount for late game. As for the production, all I know is that every game I have played, It seems like I get resources slower than the other factions, and all my friends who play with me on gameranger(about 7 or 8 people) agree with this statement. So if the facts dispute that, maybe its something to do with the pricing structure that makes it feel so slow compared to other factions. Anyways, I never had an issue with the pricing, all other factions make double resources on outer farms and CP on inner farms too, that's the most efficient way to do it.

In regards to the pikes, I think the fundamental problem is the lack of armor. Sure, they deal lots of damage with upgraded blades, but they still take HUGE damage on the initial trample, especially if the cavalry has forged blades and heavy armor/shields. It also doesn't help that lorien pikeguards are kind of squishy to begin with. In terms of the Palace Guard, I have never had any trouble defeating them with cavalry when playing against Lothlorien, although I personally have not gotten a chance to use them yet. I am sure that they are much better than the pikeguard, but the point that I was trying to make is that if you DON'T have an outpost, or are unable to get one fast enough, all your enemy has to do is spam cavalry and they win. This is a similar problem that Rohan currently faces late game, but opposite, against Gondor and Isengard and Dwarves, all they need is upgraded pikes to completely ruin your late game cavalry. That is what I don't like, when something becomes as simple as "Do X to win" and that is what I've always gotten in the biggest discussions about regarding balance. :)

Lord of Mordor:
To be honest, I'm a bit at a loss for why normal Dwarven pikemen with upgrades should be able to counter every cavalry army while the Mirkwood Palace Guard is easily defeated. Heavy armor really shouldn't be the deciding factor here - even Knights of Dol Amroth deal less than 100 damage to pikemen when they trample them. Even the basic Lorien pikes have 415 health and should be able to survive several charges, giving back more than 300 damage each time. With master blades, one Lorien pikeman deals over 900 damage when he's trampled, about half the health of a Knight of Dol Amroth. So if five knights charge into ten Lorien pikemen, it should be devastating for them.

I'm just not quite sure what we should change here because judging by their values they already are very good against cavalry - and not actually weaker than Dwarven pikemen, the only difference being that they can't get heavy armor and get better forged blades instead. But that should actually be a bonus because Pikemen have very good resistance against trampling damage in general and giving more damage back when being trampled is more valuable against cavalry.

(on the flipside, don't Rohan horse archers and the Royal Guard with their new ability work against Pikemen?)

For the border guard house, we'll test out the increased CP and see how it goes :) As for Lorien's production, it might be helpful if people took a look at their statistics after each game with Lorien, where you can see your total income AND the highest income per minute you had during the game. It would be very helpful to know if these values are consistently lower than other factions, and by how much.

Odysseus:
I doubt that statistics lie. Perhaps the increased CP upgrade will make it so that Kryptik can get enough Pikemen with Master Blades to counter Cavalry Spam :P. Forgive my banter, but I just had to.

Ps. Rohan is fine :P

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