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Dwarven Hero's New Abilities?

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CragLord:

--- Zitat von: Sawman am  4. Dez 2015, 02:46 ---Hello again I think you misunderstand what I want to do Crag Lord my idea is to after a hero receives his mithril from the vets they gain another ability and the mithril icon disappears and the new ability icon appears instead unlocking a new ability I don't mean to get rid of the vet system I quite like it myself

And you are right I never said why I think this should be in the game I figure since the dwarf factions have a low hero count they need an extra ability to make up for it and this is just a way to unlock an ability without leveling up

hope this makes it easier for you understand what I am trying to say cheers  :)

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Yes, I apologize for not understanding your proposal as whole you suggested.
So you are suggesting that when Veterans give Mithril shirt to dwarven hero, that unlocks new passive ability for that hero with some passive bonuses, and among them will be  current bonuses for mithril shirt.
So it is in basic new improved mithril shirt.
I really don't find any problem with this as slot "space", but I find a little problem in concept maybe.
Concerning balance terms, I think that dwarven heroes with mithril mail have very nice bonuses so we can consider that as 5th passive ability from which they very used. It is pretty good defensive ability which reduces all kind of damage. So why at first place you guys see this as some problem as ability in balance terms? Maybe it is hard way to unlock it, but also it can be unlocked from level 1 to level 10.
I think it is better to balance some how number of heroes instead adding more passive bonuses to unique Mithril system and make it as completely new ability.
Also with new look of Thorin III for Iron Hills I presume he will take role of hero killer, so I presume team will also reconsider fact to integrate new hero supporter in game (I find there idea of Narin as good place for improvement of number of heroes concerning Iron Hills).
Sincerely, I understand idea, and in balance terms it probably is right. But simply in concept terms I find it completely out of place. So, don't mind we wrong.
Why in core of  Mithril system idea should we implement this? (I am speaking about concept!)
Why should Veterans be able to unlock new passive abilities with specific properties on different heroes beside those defence bonuses of mitril shirt?
I understand completely as concept Mithril system, Veterans come from Khazad Dum and bring one unique and rare Mithril shirt and they give it to hero, and hero gain excellent bonuses in damage reduction. So why will Veterans be able to unlock new ability to hero as you have describe them? Where do you find proof for that in concept term? I only see there problem. That is all.

Also I spoke about passive ability of Nory, which is very wisely thought. It integrates Mithril in it in very lore wise way. So if you want to make good concept, I presume that you must polish all ideas about abilities in that way. That is my opinion about this.

Again, I find some abilities very cool and especially their titles.  :)

Regards,
CragLord

Odysseus:
I share the same view as Craglord. Dwarven heroes are (arguably) the tankiest heroes in the game. They have better stats than most of their counterparts in other races. Then, basically when you give them the Mithril Mail, it is doubled. Additionally, the Mithril Mail is free if you managed to pull off the Travel Camp mechanic. The Mithril Mail is such an amazing piece of gear, that turns heroes like Thorin Oakenshield and Dain into nearly one-man armies. I think it is intentional that it takes a full slot, since it is thus so powerful. Additionally, if the hero dies, it stays when he is revived, so I think that is a positive thing.

However, the ideas in the OP are indeed interesting and nicely put together. Perhaps some heroes could use them, and some not. I think most of the Dwarven Heroes are more than fine. More doesn't always mean better.

Kind regards.

LordDainIronfoot:
Well may be then only  1 or 2 Hereos per Faction can get New Ability with the Mithril Mail,like King Dain II and Thorin III,Lord Dain Ironfoot and Thorin Stonehelm and Thorin Oakenshield and Balin or Dwalin!?  Like the Leaders and Heirs,the most important figures in the Faction!? :)

Greetings! :)

Odysseus:
Actually, I feel that those are the most powerful heroes and they don't need anything extra really. Ironfoot can buff his troops to extremes with his abilities, King Dain can make his troops around him invulnerable when near buildings and simply his leadership is already quite powerful, and Thorin can mass-stun/terrorise and become invulnerable himself and with Balin, he can be turned into Sauron lol.

Anyway, if any dwarven hero would receive a new ability next to the mail, I think it should be the least ''popular'' ones, so to speak, to make them more considerable to purchase. But I wouldn't really know which ones that should be myself, as they all have something great to offer depending on your strategy or the situation.

My concern is that the only way to really make this work without making the Dwarven Heroes overperformant, is to rework their abilities, but this would be irrational, in my opinion.

Elite KryPtik:
I do not see how giving the Dwarven heroes a new ability after receiving Mithril Mail, be it passive or active, would be overpowered at all. I have played many online games with the Dwarves, and late game Mithril Mail does not make as much of a difference as you seem to think. They are still very killable, especially by leveled up heroes, and since pretty much all other factions get more heroes than them(except Ered Luin) they can just team up on your heroes and win through sheer numbers. As for getting it early game, this is impossible on 95% of maps, because people can just rush your exposed and vulnerable Travel Camp and destroy it, preventing you from getting ponies.

I think that Iron Hills and Erebor definitely need this, and I still think Ered Luin should get it too. They are the OP heroes faction, that's what they are known for.

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