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CragLord:

--- Zitat von: The_Necromancer0 am  9. Jan 2016, 22:17 ---Following your train of thought, Mornamarth would betray the witch king and cease the ring for himself? Uhmm... that sounds pretty cools and pretty original not to have the strongest/most iconic hero of the faction as ring hero.

Couple thoughts on this:
-adding to the lore maybe Mornamarth would have to pick the ring unlike other heroes that have to have it brought to them, since it is most logical that other troops would bring it to the WK
-what happens to the witch king? does he become a bound lesser form of himself? does he die? does he become in exile? does he go back to his master with the plan to return with a mighty host to kill Mornamarth?
-how does that affect Mornamarth, will it end up destroying him like the Boromir? what effect does it have on its abilities, boosts them or changes them completely?
-and finally: why not both? (like gondor)

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Yes, I agree with you, there is a lot of possibilites.
My simple thought require complete concept, sadly, I am out of time to develop it.
I just wanted to  point on possibility of using this hero also in ring function.
I think if he gets ring, he will become more powerful then WK and replace his as ruler of the Angmar. Jump from Steward title to the title of Black/Fallen Dunedain's King. :) Something like that.
Also we could make him similar to Boromir, to be temporary there, and when he dies, he became one of the wights, or wights hero with ring etc.
There are many possibilities as you also cited in your comment. This concept with Mornamarth require some detailed development.
I am also to add him beside WK, so both of them can use ring, something similar to the Gondor faction. :)

Regards,
CragLord

Linhir:
Or... ring could be brought to castle and player may recruit some form of sauron, based on the principles like gondor's denethor or arnor's malbeth?

The_Necromancer0:

--- Zitat von: Linhir am 16. Feb 2016, 03:37 ---Or... ring could be brought to castle and player may recruit some form of sauron, based on the principles like gondor's denethor or arnor's malbeth?

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I see, that could also be interesting to use Sauron from afar, using mighty abilities of magic and leadership to influence the field. I really see how it would fit in the lore though.

Spacetyrant93:
This is a tricky concept.

While I personally don't like the idea of Mornamath as a Ring Hero (betraying the Witch King?! You bastard!!) I agree it would make the machanism, and the history behind it, all the more interesting and complex. I would say make him the alternate Ring Hero of the faction, keeping the Witch king as main, in parallel with Gondor/Arnor having Gandalf/Boromir or Gandalf/Arvendui; a parallel that makes sense given they kinda all derive from Numenor.

I agree that Mornamath should be the one picking it himself, but like all other Men who picked the Ring (Boromir, Arvendui, Theoden) it should boost his stats, but it also has to have an array of negative outcomes. This counts especially for the fact that the Witch King is present as well on the field, and I doubt he would take kindly to this betrayal.
Such a mecanic would literally split the Angmar faction, as Mornamath is the leader of the Black Numenoreans, but the real emperor of the whole realm is the Witch King. I daresay that, if Mornamath takes the Ring, he gains a great boost, but like Storm Queen Galadriel, his actions make him a traitor, so units that are not black numenoreans would not help him. I would even say he needs to have a time limit like Boromir, but this time set by the Witch King cursing him.

Overall, i'd say this is a pretty massive thing to make, perhaps not worth all the work that goes behind it.

On the other hand, a Denethor/Malbeth mechanic for the other Ring Hero, the Witch King, might work. Perhaps, once he gains the Ring, he retires to his fortress's sanctum, bestowing powers and terrible magics on the battlefield.

If you think about it, except for the time Glorfindel and Earnur faced him, it's not like the Witch King actually took to the battlefield that often, more dwelling in his fortress and working his sorcery. Granted, Sauron did that far more, but meh...
From the Fortress, he could cast the infamous Everlasting Winter, send out foul spirits to infest a set area of the map (like he did with Barrow Wights), put his blessing on heroes (the old sanctuary of the Witch King power) and even challenge enemy heroes, tricking them to come to him alone (as he did with Earnur, even if that was in Minas Morgul)
This would kinda be a loss, as I love the Witch King to get to the battlefield and make things personal, but nonetheless it's an alternative.
These are just my humble thoughts, dunno what the team has planned, but am looking forward to it, as always! [uglybunti]

Melkor Bauglir:
I actually prefer those choices a lot more for the good guys. The main reason is that there exists a big amout of force and direct ruling for the evil factions. Therefore they tend to have a distinct leader or at least someone truly superior to the others in charge (let's call him Smaug). For Angmar it's kind of the same: If I play as the Iron Crown and get my hands at the One Ring, I will certainly prefer to curse the game with eternal winter instead of giving it to "regular human general No. 3". :P
For the good factions this topic is entirely different (exept perhaps for Lothlorien), because there are multiple heroes who could all act as a ringbearer simply from their lore perspective. (One could even argue there are some more people who could also use the One Ring.) To sum up, I don't see how Angmar needs a new system or an enhanced system. Giving the Ring to the Witchking is interesting enough as it is in my humble opinion.

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

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