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Rohan Late Game Improvement Ideas

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ringbearer:
It's maybe unortodox but I think that only 1 option on outpost it's what makes a difference. The amount of help in type of heroic units, elite units , heroes or resources other factions get it's overwhelming in middle-late game. (Please be gentle :D i am just thinking out of a box )

Elite KryPtik:

--- Zitat von: -Mandos- am 13. Jan 2016, 23:52 ---The point is, buffing cavalry is the wrong way to buff Rohan.
I don't know if you've played 3.81 but there Rohan is actually pretty strong because of overpowered Galadhrim. It worked in a way as a balancing factor even though it ruined the gameplay.
And that's what I wanted to say: We need to give Rohan a lot of different units that are strong enough for the late game (like the westfold units or the Galadhrim), each of them limited so you HAVE to use a mix of them in the late game (they can be limited in special ways like the Galadhrim you only get through a spell. If the archers would stay you could gather more of them and actually utilize the healing abilites of Rohan.)
These armies mixed up from different kinds of elite units should be weaker than some late- game armies, but not that much, so you can compensate for your still weaker infantry with your better cavalry (and a few hordes of upgraded Rohirrim with Theoden etc. can and will crush the enemy archers so YOUR infantry amry can deal with their weakened one). That will, of course, require that you hold a firm grip on map control, which you should have gained earlier.

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Why? Why is buffing cavalry bad? I have seen no reasons for saying buffing cavalry would be bad so far, other than "they would be unkillable by pikes" which is completely untrue. Also, Rohan cavalry loses to Isengard Crossbows late game with shieldbearers and captains, and most players keep their archers protected by at least 1 or 2 pikes. Since porcupine immediately freezes cavalry in their tracks, you can effectively prevent cavalry from harassing archers very easily.

Again, why is Rohan the only faction that should require a diverse mix of units, heavy micromanagement and harassment? You have given no good reasons to convince me so far. No other faction in the game has to deal with this, they can all get away with just building big armies and winning. So why should Rohan have to be the odd man out?

I agree Ringbearer, Rohan does indeed need another type of outpost. That's not the root of all the issues though, and there is a whole other thread for discussing that topic, with lots of great ideas. Go voice your support there :)

-DJANGO-:

--- Zitat ---Why? Why is buffing cavalry bad?
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- Don't get us wrong. Buffing Cav per se ain't bad. But buffing Cav against their NR.1 counter is another thing...
I gave you guys many different solutions to this topic (see above). But I just won't understand why you persist on the point, that Buffing Standard Cav against pikes  is "such a great solution".
I don't think that Rohan is the only faction, that needs a mix of units to win. It's just a bit blurry, because every faction reacts with counters. So when Rohan goes for Riders, the enemy  has to build pikes (forced adaption which weakens the Infantry strengh). Therefore the Rohan player has to do the next counter step and so on and on and on... (I really don't think that you will see a Gondor player doing only Swordsmen (no Mix), while Rohan players goes strong on Riders.

P.S.: Were my suggestions REALLY so useless? Think about it...

Hamanathnath:
I think everyone is focusing on the Late Game Army part of this Arguement a bit too much. 

I would still like to advertise the idea of Rohan getting Grand Harvest, or something similar to Grand Harvest.  The economy of Rohan needs to be looked at too.  I would like to here if there is support for this idea, or if you think there is a better way to do improve the Economy.

Elite KryPtik:

--- Zitat von: -DJANGO- am 14. Jan 2016, 00:16 ---
--- Zitat ---Why? Why is buffing cavalry bad?
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- Don't get us wrong. Buffing Cav per se ain't bad. But buffing Cav against their NR.1 counter is another thing...
I gave you guys many different solutions to this topic (see above). But I just won't understand why you persist on the point, that Buffing Standard Cav against pikes  is "such a great solution".
I don't think that Rohan is the only faction, that needs a mix of units to win. It's just a bit blurry, because every faction reacts with counters. So when Rohan goes for Riders, the enemy  has to build pikes (forced adaption which weakens the Infantry strengh). Therefore the Rohan player has to do the next counter step and so on and on and on... (I really don't think that you will see a Gondor player doing only Swordsmen (no Mix), while Rohan players goes strong on Riders.

P.S.: Were my suggestions REALLY so useless? Think about it...

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The only suggestions you have posted so far is to increase the strength of Rohirrim Archers and Spear Throwers, both of which I agree with. Additionally, if you look back at my very first post, the only things I was asking for were buffs to their survivability, not their damage, purely so that they don't die instantly like they currently do, and to help them trample for longer periods of time before getting stuck. That's all the idea was, yet everybody seems to think I was calling to make the cavalry unkillable death machines. This is not the case. If the Royal Breeding power gave them more health and defense against pikes, they would then be able to actually deal damage to a mass of pikes, unlike currently where they just die uselessly. You would still take losses, but you could actually inflict casualties too. That was the whole point of my idea.

Additionally, your not getting the main point of this discussion either. The point is that due to the weakness of Rohans infantry, pike spam is a surefire counter against anything that they can field. You literally cannot defeat Gondor, Isengard or Dwarves if they spam pikes and pop some archers in the middle. Dwarves of course have veterans too. That's why the call for buffing cavalry is so prominent, because the enemy always spams pikes REGARDLESS of what you make, they do not need to "counter" you, because you can't kill them anyways!

Yes Haman, your right of course, the economy is another big factor which should be looked at. I still agree with the upgrade discount from having multiple armories, and I also agree with giving Rohan some kind of economic upgrade.

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