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Rohan Late Game Improvement Ideas

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Elite KryPtik:
Well, I haven't been intending to reply to every comment, although I suppose some of that did happen the other day because I was very passionate about the thread. Additionally, you'll noticed towards the beginning I encouraged others to come up with their own ideas to fix Rohan late game as well. I suppose, that when people just post entirely disagreeing with ideas presented and have no idea of their own is when I may get frustrated. In any case, as I said its not my intention to "shut down" or intimidate people in this thread, quite the opposite, I'm overjoyed its received so many replies.

Now, that said, I hold the right to respectfully disagree or try to prove wrong ideas that I disagree with, just as everybody else does. If my responses and others don't prove to you the logic behind my idea, then nothing will unless you go in game and play for yourself. As long as it doesn't become an abusive argument between 2 people, I see no issue with trying to disprove others arguments with experience and fact if you can. Finally, please tell me what the holes you see in my idea are, because if they are in fact holes then I can improve the idea or fix the problems. Additionally, if you have any ideas of your own to improve Rohans late game, please share them. I just want Rohan to suck less late game, that's my only goal here.

I think that later today I will gather up all the ideas that have been presented thus far and make a "superpost" at the start of the thread to allow people to easily see what ideas have been presented to help Rohans late game thus far. If any mods are reading this, can you change the name of the thread to "Rohan Late Game Improvement Ideas"?

Odysseus:
That might be a good idea yeah. Although it generally comes down to the following three:

1. Buff their LG economy (a bit).

2. Either buff Rohan cavalry (via PP spells or somewhere else).

3. Or buff Rohan's counters to pikes.

These 3, cut clear, are Rohan's main issues at the moment, I think. The miscellaneous ideas presented in this post all presented different ways to possibly improve Rohan's standing in the LG and are mostly related to the three points presented.

Perhaps a poll with different options could be considered?

Looking forward to that big post of yours.

Cheers!

Elite KryPtik:
I guess a poll may be appropriate at this point, although the team has stated they don't want polls to be there just to get votes, and that discussion needs to take place first. I think I could throw one up now though.

Morwereth:

--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 15. Jan 2016, 19:19 ---
Morwereth, Welcome to the forums! I'm glad you agree, if more guests would join in on the conversation and reveal their thoughts we might get a better idea of how many people want a better Rohan late game. Thanks for the post!

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My pleasure  :)


--- Zitat von: Melkor Bauglir am 15. Jan 2016, 19:30 --- but because I see no point in explaining my point if the response is getting told precisely why my opinion (better: my arguments) is (are) wrong. This is not meant as an offense, but I seriously do not enjoy this way of discussing. ;)


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Whatever we suggest in this thread, Edain Team will say last word eventually. So I think nobody actually wants to "hurt" someone else or "suppress" someone's opinion here. Discussing about who is right or wrong is pointless in my opinion. Everybody have their own right and wrong things about game. Discussion should be more than "this is right, this is wrong".

About my previous idea,

Theoden's Glorious Charge is the core of Rohan's late game at the moment (I consider you keep him alive until he is level 10  :D). Developing late game strategy with using 1 hero is a bit lame. Thats why I thought players should have another option to develop strategy.

Buffing another hero wouldn't solve all problems of course. People often focus on Theoden to cut his leadership, same can happen to Eomer as well. Also Rohan needs mass slayer rather than one more unit supporter.

If Team doesn't want this buff accesible via spellbook, we should focus on upgrades. Perhaps player would access it in stables just like Horseman Shield. Like Isengard's blood wargs in warg pit. Player should research arsenal to get it.

About idea of upgrade discount from multible amories, I think building more than one armory would be risky. Because Rohan doesn't have anything like Gondor's blacksmith, Isengard's furnace and Lorien's forge. Armories don't produce any resources.

My second idea is this new upgrade should be accesible via outpost. I don't say much about outpost because it is kind of off topic but Hamman's great harvest can be accesible via outpost as well if we get big-village concept.

Walküre:
I think that right and just considerations have been made basically by anyone, here.

As some people already wrote, there is not, theoretically, a definitive end in a reasonable and ordered debate, or even a final 'showdown' between different sides to determine who is right or wrong, since the Edain Team takes into consideration almost anything suggested and eventually decides about what can be used or not, whether one side is prominent to the other or not in a discussion.

Nevertheless, it's also true that threads can't become endless replies by two or more specific people, especially if the matters involved deal with very personal impressions, experiences or, why not, advices that one user might want to share with another one.
Therefore, in this last case it's definitely recommended the usage of PMs to sort discussions out, also to have a more personal and private space rather than the public threads of the Edain Community.

Having said that, I think that more opinions from other people are definitely welcome, but I also personally appreciate the intention of Elite of synthesising the main aspects of his proposal in the initial post  :)

Regarding the poll, I think that this thread has clearly reached the 'requested premises' of completeness, interest and details to start a poll.
Just, if I may give an advice, I would choose wise and limited options in order to be the least dispersive possible, as it often happens with many and not always necessary choices in polls.

Ok, I will change the topic of the thread as you wish.

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