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Autor Thema: Concerning Eomer  (Gelesen 14172 mal)

Saeros

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Concerning Eomer
« am: 19. Jan 2016, 23:38 »
Greetings people of the Edain

I'd like to propose a different role for Eomer, as he is one of my fav characters in the story of lotr, but most importantly because I think that he is lacking his role as given to us by J.R.R Tolkien (you people are doing a fine job keeping close to the lore so I hope we can see eye to eye in that topic), he was one of the best warriors of his time in Middle- Earth second only to Aragorn.
So I whould much like to see him as a mass slayer (I think that Rohan has not got an effective mass slayer so Eomer whould fit in for the role) and a good hero killer, although Eowyn is here for Rohan, so maybe the latter should be just a secondary role for him...
His spear ability must be buffed destroying enemy heroes and either stunning units around the attacked hero, or doing some damage to them escalading respectively with his levels.
Instead of the spike with the uruk head what about having a slayer ability which will be granting him some defense power and a great amount of attack power and attack speed?
His lvl 10 ability should be either a more powerfull version of what it is already, or a banner summoned on the battlefield giving him and his allies in a moderate radius around the banner the buffs (not as strong but enough to turn the tide of a close battle) of his slayer ability (this won't stack with the slayer)
The mount/dismount ability and his leadership are just fine
Any form of improvement in my suggestion whould help, go easy on me (1st post)

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #1 am: 19. Jan 2016, 23:59 »
Welcome Saeros.

Well, Eomer's role is indeed a mass slayer, but almost everyone can agree that he is the weakest mass slayer in the game right now.
Back to your post. I have to say that i don't find you proposals about him as a secondary hero killer very good. IMO, i would like to see change in power of his spear throw as he levels up and some visual change in his last ability ( murin + elrond have the same mechanism and visual aswell).

PS. About a buff to his attack and speed, theodred has similar ability and i fell that he deserves it more ( lore-wise)

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #2 am: 20. Jan 2016, 07:24 »
Is Eomer your favourite character because of the movies or from reading the books? If so, could you quote some specific or iconic book scenes that could be used for mass slayer abilities?

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #3 am: 20. Jan 2016, 11:05 »
@rinbearer,
if I understood correctly you agree with me about the spear throw, but not about the slayer ability?
What about the banner suggestion I made for his lvl 10 ability?
Also I have to agree with you about Eomer being weak so that is the reason I made these proposals.
I think Rohan needs a powerful hero except Theoden while he has the ring, otherwise Rohan has decent all around heroes but none too good or feared (like Aragorn, Saruman, Celeborn etc)
« Letzte Änderung: 20. Jan 2016, 11:17 von Saeros »

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #4 am: 20. Jan 2016, 11:16 »
@admin
Eomer is my favourite character basically from both the books and the movies.
I like Carl Urban's acting very much in almost every movie I have seen him, but in the books Eomer is shown as a great leader and a powerful warrior.
I haven't read the books in a long time, but if I recall correctly it is said that his fighting abilities were bested only by Aragorn, he is able to kill all alone one of the best uruk- hai fighters, Ugluk (that is why I would like to see him having slayer or something of the like) and in the Battle of the Pellenor fields after his uncle death and his sister potential doom "a cold fury" caught him that affected all those around him and made a great attack against the lines of the Easterlings holding the banner of Rohan and killing almost everyone with the aid of his followers (that is why I wanted to see the lvl 10 ability with the banner)

P.S I hope I am correct in my sayings cause as I told you I haven't read the books in a long time

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #5 am: 20. Jan 2016, 12:00 »
The  banner ability could use the same mechanics as tom, bert and bill's treasure throve. Where Eomer and the Rohan units have mighty powers by the banner but will get a temp debuff if the banner is destroyed.
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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #6 am: 20. Jan 2016, 13:22 »
I partially agree with your spear suggestion. What I have in mind is that, for example, his spear throw at lvl1 would kill 2-3 mordor orcs, at lvl3 4-5 orcs and so on till lvl10. Eowyn has a spear throw that deals especially with heroes. :)

About this banner idea. It's not bad. Although i think that buffing only his attak speed or damage is not necessary. Don't know if it's possible but what if he gets an AoE attack when he is in radius of the banner, and the banner would be invisible to enemy? Again, i don't know if it's possible to code but it would be unique for him.

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #7 am: 20. Jan 2016, 15:37 »
I've just read some days ago the chapter of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and therefore I can confirm what Saeros said. Also, I really like it's banner carrier idea, it sounds fitting and could be also a nice way to improve Rohan's Late Game^^

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #8 am: 20. Jan 2016, 16:51 »
Well I hope the the moders will read this and see what can and cannot be done.
Thanks for the attention and your opinions guys!

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #9 am: 1. Apr 2016, 12:49 »
@admin
Eomer is my favourite character basically from both the books and the movies.
I like Carl Urban's acting very much in almost every movie I have seen him, but in the books Eomer is shown as a great leader and a powerful warrior.
I haven't read the books in a long time, but if I recall correctly it is said that his fighting abilities were bested only by Aragorn, he is able to kill all alone one of the best uruk- hai fighters, Ugluk (that is why I would like to see him having slayer or something of the like) and in the Battle of the Pellenor fields after his uncle death and his sister potential doom "a cold fury" caught him that affected all those around him and made a great attack against the lines of the Easterlings holding the banner of Rohan and killing almost everyone with the aid of his followers (that is why I wanted to see the lvl 10 ability with the banner)

P.S I hope I am correct in my sayings cause as I told you I haven't read the books in a long time

How about at level 10, a temporary summon of a battalion of Rohan Banner Carriers, the Battalion provides an attack speed bonus to Eomer and all surrounding troops?

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #10 am: 2. Apr 2016, 10:07 »
To be honest I was waiting for the next version of the mod before returning to this post.
But I continue to believe that Eomer is lacking his actual Tolkien role.
In the mod (sadly) Eomer is based on what the BFME franchise suggested for his role, that is a mediocre hero. A bad fighter and an offensive support, with no durability.
What he was in the books is entirely different:
The greatest fighter in Rohan, a great leader for his people, a man of duty who loves his country and an inspiration for all those that follow him.
That is why I want him changed, to find him the role that he deserves and to fill the hole of the Rohan heroes, there is no one who can decide any battle especially in the late game.
I will propose an overhaul for Eomer in the coming days, deciding what are the best abilities for him..


To answer your post, your idea is good (obviously) but I think that it would be best for a summonable banner, which gives to all allied units a boost rather than a battalion. I think that your idea is very similar to Theoden's rider, but I'd like to see something more unique for Eomer.

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #11 am: 2. Apr 2016, 11:39 »
Hello,
I agree with You Saeros, Eomer  need some changes, but

1. His spear need some aoe radius, simply coz he is mass slayer.

2. Passive is fine, lore wise

3. I think his 10 lvl ability is litle bit wierd, coz Eomer isnt wizard to summon line of Rohirrim, from where came that horses?! Basically I think all summoning spells or heros skills are wierd. It is fine to call help, but they most summon on edge of map, like kazad dum veterans. If units arent permanent, than buff thier time.

So i suggest for Eomer 10lvl ability, would be leadership, trample dmg and traple speed buffing. Rohan with trample have mass slayer, best in game.

I know this is global idea, for summoning, but that is a thread for itself.


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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #12 am: 5. Apr 2016, 15:04 »
I've tested Eomer with the new patch and although he has not been changed, the rest of Rohan being tweaked hides some of his weaknesses.
But he still is not as Tolkien introduced him to us through his books.
So here are my suggestions once more:

Lvl 1: Mount/Dismount -> as it is. Maybe change the name to Firefoot?

Lvl 1: Piercing Spear -> Instead of targeting a unit the spear should be thrown to the ground.
It can fly a great distance and pierces any unit it comes across killing it and throwing the surrounding units in the air.
When it hits a monster unit the spear will stop and cut the monster's health in half.
When the spear hits a hero the damage done to him will be moderate but it will stun all allied units to the hero in a wide radius.
These effects will become more powerfull according to Eomer's levels. (3,6,9 respectively)
Lastly the spear's speed should be greater.

Lvl 3: Leader of the Exiles -> as it is.

Lvl 5: Memorial -> Although it's a nice adaptation from the movies and it has some usefulness it has a small range (in order to be activated and it's too slow). This ability should either be changed in order to happen more quickly, or changed as

Lvl 6: Gúthwinë (active) -> Eomer's the greatest fighter in Middle- Earth second only to Aragorn, he wields the great sword Gúthwinë, in its sight the enemy units cower and lose all leadership bonuses and 30% armor and damage, while Eomer recieves those amounts to his own stats.
Thus the supporting role of Eomer still stands, and the lore is followed more strictly showing what his abilities actually were.

Lvl 10: King's Cold Fury: Eomer leads his troops to battle waving his banner through the air, all allied units in a wide radius gain attack damage, recieve a great amount of armor, while Rohan's cavalry gain trample damage and moderate protection from spears.

I think that is what Tolkien had in mind for Eomer, and these suggestions will aid Rohan to have a great hero, whom it lacks very badly and thus to get a way to turn the tide to its favor.

Let's make this possible people!!  xD
« Letzte Änderung: 6. Apr 2016, 10:15 von Saeros »

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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #13 am: 6. Apr 2016, 08:55 »
Saeros, that version of Eomer would be absurdly overpowered. He is meant to be a mass slayer, not a mass slaying unit supporting hero and monster killer  [uglybunti]
I think his spear should get a simple AoE effect, something similar to Gimli's leap, and I have a small suggestion for his level 10. Instead of summoning units to charge in a straight line, why not have say 10 Rohirrim charge out from around Eomer, similarly to Drauglin's Crescent Blades, dealing heavy trample damage to all enemies in their path?
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Re: Concerning Eomer
« Antwort #14 am: 6. Apr 2016, 10:13 »
Well I think that there are several heroes that are pretty OP. (Zaphragor, Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli)
My version of Eomer is what I have in mind for him, but obviously my suggestion could be improved.
I thought that his spear was meant to deal heavy damage to monsters and to units that's why I made this proposal, also it already has an AoE which does not make much difference.
He already is a supporting hero and a mass slayer at the time so I suppose that by buffing his abilities won't change him much to an overpowered unit, besides Rohan lacks any other strong heroes, while other factions have 2 or 3 very strong heroes.
Also I think that we will both agree that he is the least effective mass slayer in the game.
Lastly I will disagree to your lvl 10 ability, not because it is not good, it is much better than the one that he has now, but because he must be mounted to use it and secondly because it is a little wierd for rohirrim to just burst out of the ground and then disappear!
Also the banner idea comes straight out of the books, something that is not taken under consideration for giving Eomer his actual role.