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Isildurs Fluch:
Wow so much talking at cross-purposes...  8-|

I first want to make one thing clear: All ring-bearers besides Sauron, Bilbo and Frodo are pure speculations and what-if scenarios. But there are better suggestions and worse ones...

In fact there is no real evidence that a Maia couldn´t make use of the One Ring, in my oppinion the lore counts in the opposite direction, as Gandalf says he didn´t take the ring not because he couldn´t use it, but because he would give it to much power, because in reverse the ring would give him the opportunity to unlock greater power.
The only non-Ainur character which we kind of saw using the ring for magical powers was Galadriel, but we don´t really know how the ring would have affected her, what we saw were here own intrinsic power and the things she learned from Melian.
And it´s also said that Elves are the most like the Ainur from all the Children of Illuvatar and Aule.

In my oppinion the Balrog is as far away from being a "pure Maia" whatever that means as Gandalf or Saruman. Those two use their power and abbilities just in different ways than him, who just focusses on brute force. As I view it all the followers of Melkor are in a way degenerated and not fullfilling their true potential, because they deviate from the role, that was given to them by Eru.

Next you have to ask yourself what is the ring: It´s an object in that Sauron put much of his will and power, therefore it always tries to manipulate the ring-bearer according to Saurons plan. That should be our basis for discussion...

dkbluewizard:
Isildur, I think you hit on some very good points as I have. I really think the Saruman like system we have for Isengard is what the MM should mirror through the Balrog, but Edain Team wants Smaug for whatever reason, so that is why your idea is the most sound and lore worthy.

I mean I don't mind playing a flying dragon ring hero that can incinerate all troops in a moments notice--i mean, it's cool, but the Balrog as you stated is a more lore worthy choice. I never understood what fighting for Sauron had to do with Smaug wielding the ring anyways, that was kinda of weird justification if you ask me. I mean "Sauron does not share power." So I found that as an odd reason to justify Smaug as a ring hero.

Anyhow, I would continue with your idea Isildur, it is a good one, I like the fact that you are dedicated to the lore and tolkien's work as I am. I always appreciate a real Tolkienist.

Isildurs Fluch:

--- Zitat von: dkbluewizard am 19. Aug 2017, 18:15 ---Anyhow, I would continue with your idea Isildur, it is a good one, I like the fact that you are dedicated to the lore and tolkien's work as I am. I always appreciate a real Tolkienist.

--- Ende Zitat ---
So do I  ;)
Thank you, I will sit down this week and write a concept about outposts and ring-heroes for the Misty Mountains and translate my Harad-concept, but first I have to finish my exams...  8-|

Concerning the design of the Gundabad-buildings I´m not even sure if the teams really wants to stick to the old orc-design, which I never liked. Maybe they already decided to go for something else and all discussion about is worthless. A statement from an insider would help a lot. I´m not talking about sharing secrets, but simply telling us if the plan is still to use the old design.
Yours sincerely
Isildurs Bane

AulëTheSmith:
Ehi guys ;) so many new ideas here  xD
Starting from the Barlog: i would like to have him as a summon because imo is the best way to exploit all his potential. I cannot see any other good way to introduce him for now. At least with Smaug we have some arguments to link him with the ring (he's greedy).

About giants, i repost my idea for a new type of mountain troll unit design, to replace the vanilla one:
This unit would be a bigger version of the current cave-troll, something that is closer to the maximum evil-perversion of Ent race.
i would make them very tanky and resistant against arrow, and with an active ability like the curent "stomp" which creates a small earthquake that deals good damage against structure and medium damage against troops :)

dkbluewizard:
Actually I have been looking at the possible good faction list, and evil is really coming up short. I am putting together an evil faction that might help with balance and we can all still get what we want. I'll post it in a couple of weeks. It is connected to the MM and functions like the Dwarf system with new and familiar units/heroes.

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