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kmogon:
I just refer you to proper page for thing like this:
https://modding-union.com/index.php/topic,33098.0.html
Additionally I can say that probably barlog will stay sa a spellbook's power and Samug would be the most expensive hero in EM

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: esparado87 am 11. Okt 2016, 16:00 ---Make Balrog AND Smaug powerful creatures with time limit that can only be summoned as tier 4 power point powers, but the ring removes the time limit completely.

Is there another disscussion about this...?

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As far as the topic is concerned, we already discussed similar matters on ModDB and here too, along with some defined information we have at disposal (despite the natural scarcity of hints of possible improvements for the future). Smaug will be the leader of the faction (conceptually, at least) as an ordinary hero (and Ring hero too), while the Balrog will be available via the spellbook as an ultimate spell, in line with this character's extremely situational nature in LOTR and with his iconic presence in the BFME series from the beginning.

By the way, all discussions related to the Misty Mountains are gathered in a general thread for now, waiting for more proper times to deal with proposals very specifically. There, we started addressing some valuable points that could indeed serve as a sound basis for future major debates. If you are willing to participate, you will be much welcome  :)

I will merge this thread with the general one mentioned above.

P.S. Referring to your post, samael, dead heroes from the past that either lived in the First Age and in the Second Age or even in the Third Age won't be implemented in the game, apart from very justified exceptions. The Edain Mod is mainly set during the War of the Ring and the Hobbit. It would be really illogical to just randomly add characters from totally different timelines, especially if these said characters are dead or have journeyed to the West. Gothmog was killed by Ecthelion of the Fountain in the tragic events of the Fall of Gondolin: there is thus no reason why he should be in the game, not even via any sort of particular mechanics (as the Last Alliance spell of Imladris).

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samael:
yeah thats true you got a point there i didnt know that edain is following the movie and story line thx for the answer

esparado87:
So, if Smaug is not going to be a tier 4 powerpoint power, what is the second 4rth tier power going to be(the first being Durin's Bane/Balrog) ?

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: esparado87 am 11. Okt 2016, 23:00 ---So, if Smaug is not going to be a tier 4 powerpoint power, what is the second 4rth tier power going to be (the first being Durin's Bane/Balrog)?

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I couldn't really tell. There are other Beta Testers who already tested the faction, but we're talking about more than one year ago (at the very initial stage of the Misty Mountains and of the Edain 4.0 itself). I guess they could answer you more exhaustively anyway.

According to the official news, the other ultimate spell is (if nothing is modified) the one of the 3.8.1 version: the fire dragon landing momentarily in a given area and wreaking havoc with its fire. Nevertheless, I assume there will be changes regarding these aspects as well; it's a pretty consequent implication that the presence of such spell might result in being redundant within the faction's structure, as both fire and dragon-motive already are at the heart of Smaug's existence.

If my previous speculation is somewhat valid, it could be an interesting occasion to discuss some alternatives meant to replace that spell and to explore other sides of the Goblins' universe.

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