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kmogon:
Dol guldur orcs are based on orcs from second part of hobbit . Additionally I can say that ET wrote sth about similar skill in one of articles - there was said that instead of spider sommon will be tunnel summon from which orcs will go out .

Julio229:
They would be different in a sense. The Spell that has been described by the Edain Team summons (If I remember correctly) regular units, while this would summon the army that was united to take the Mountain. They both use tunnels, and maybe this could work against the concept, but they are different in their own way.

It was just a quick concept I made to give a general view of my ideas, if you feel anything can be improved, say it :P.

I'd also like to add that I don't think Dragon Strike should be the counterpart to the Balrog's summon. It just feels strange, because, while it could be good gameplay wise, it hasn't changed since the vanilla game, and I think that with Smaug and the Dragon Outpost, there is enough Dragons in the Misty Mountains.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Julio229 am 17. Okt 2016, 23:36 ---It was just a quick concept I made to give a general view of my ideas, if you feel anything can be improved, say it  :P

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And you/we have the absolute right to develop things by adjusting and reassessing concepts. Progression and debate definitely help perfect any kind of proposals  :)

I like the idea of a Goblins/Orcs-based summoning spell, though we should make clear whether it's meant to implement BOTFA Dol Guldur concepts (already well represented in Mordor) or some elite units of BOTFA Gundabad (that would otherwise not be in the regular Gundabad subfaction). I would still stick to the latter proposition. Another option could be respecting the Edain and BFME customs, and thus trying to conceive a destructive spell involving the wild wrath of nature; but we already dismissed some possible alternatives.


--- Zitat von: Julio229 am 17. Okt 2016, 23:36 ---I'd also like to add that I don't think Dragon Strike should be the counterpart to the Balrog's summon. It just feels strange, because, while it could be good gameplay wise, it hasn't changed since the vanilla game, and I think that with Smaug and the Dragon Outpost, there is enough Dragons in the Misty Mountains.

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Spot on. I reaffirm again my thoughts.

Julio229:
Agree on the Gundabad units, the Dol Guldur ones were just kind of a placeholder for better ideas, and because I didn't remember a lot of the BOTFA concepts, even though I watched it last week :D. I think many aspects of that army can be represented with the spell, so it has a great value both conceptually-wise and gameplay-wise, that's why I like the idea of the "Legions" so much, because you can include a lot of the Hobbit trilogy Misty Mountains  concepts without breaking balance!

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Julio229 am 18. Okt 2016, 00:08 ---I think many aspects of that army can be represented with the spell, so it has a great value both conceptually-wise and gameplay-wise, that's why I like the idea of the "Legions" so much, because you can include a lot of the Hobbit trilogy Misty Mountains  concepts without breaking balance!

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Even if it's not necessarily referred to the Defiler, the legion theme might be a smart means via which it could be possible to provide more differentiation to the faction: beside the main loose and wild characteristics, there is also a structured military apparatus that can be temporarily unleashed against the enemies (mirroring for a brief amount of time Mordor's warfare).

The problem is that I have not played with the Misty Mountains yet and I don't really know which motives will exactly characterise the faction (I mean, their actual display in the game), nor can I have the precise sense of the extent of Bolg's military leadership. Considering also that we're still talking about the official news released almost three years ago.

Other insights will surely be of precious help, especially by someone who has already had the privilege to play with the Goblins. I recognise it's quite challenging to discuss about something in this particular context, but I believe it's surely worth gathering people's opinions on the matter  :)

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