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The_Necromancer0:
So, as of the recent news of the 4.4 Patch it is the Ring-Heroes that now must pick up the Ring which puts Durin at an odd since he is one of the few Ring Heroes that cannot physically move over to the Ring. Therefore with the news it seems that Durin will be replaced by another hero. Now, I've never been a real fans of dwarves, too hard enslave if you ask me  :P, but if there was one thing I loved about them it was Durin, he was a both innovative and fun to play with, so I was quite sad when the news came around that he will probably no longer be a ring hero. So I've got a couple concepts, both my own and from reading comments, that I've gathered about in an attempt to keep Durin the Ring Hero.

First we have to clear any "unit picks up the ring and brings to specific building", it has been stated by the team that this is not possible. The only possible way, as of the recent news, is for a Hero to pick up the Ring and then a specific action will occur either becoming the Ring Hero, summoning him, ect... This still leaves a great number of possibilities for the community. So what does that leave us with:

A Spell
Of course a possibility is a spell that summons or allows the summon of Durin or of an incarnation that can pick up the Ring to become Durin. It was something that was mentioned but however I'm personally against that idea. Whether we summon an incarnation or Durin himself it is still extremely unbalanced since they can be summoned instantly on the spot of the Ring, along with that one must be careful not to create abilities that would be useless in ultra competitive no-ring fights. But if this was a possibility I would suggest that the "Apparition of Durin" replace the greed and have a passive abilities which could function a a small buff along with 4 runes that can be used to boost buildings, the key there is that all runes will go on cooldown once one is used meaning the player can only chose one per summons.  Durin himself would have to replace on of the Tier 3 or 4 powers which could cause other problems but the idea would to have a temporary summon of Durin which can become permanent if he takes the Ring. This is quite simple and a nice concept but however it is too overpowered as the heroes can be cheaply summoned at the location of the ring. With that me move on to possibility number 2:

A Summon
Once a designed hero ceases the ring he summons Durin. While this strays from the lore it is the best way in my opinion to keep Durin in the game. Very simple the designed heroes, most likely Dain and Thorin take the Ring and that summons Durin along with giving the Ring to him. In this manner there is still a certain requirement since a Ring Hero must be bought but it can be incorporated within the new system.

Those are the two concept are the two possibilities that will allow Durin to stay in the game. He is a great concept and great ways to show that the dwarves are united in some aspects. Having two different Ring Heroes would just feel wrong especially considering that there are three Dwarven Realms but would most probably only be two Ring Heroes.

kingsjewel:
And if Durin does appear in the Spellbook? Although you're right in the Dwarves should  have only two Ringheroes. Unless Erebor should get a new hero. (because Dáin Ironfoot should be the Ringhero of Iron Hills.)

Garlodur:
I quickly want to leave my thought on this.
We assume that Durin is reincarnated in a new body but that his soul always lingers around. Would he enter just a random Dwarf's body then, as soon as he/she is born?
No, he would only enter those bodies of his direct/purest descendants.

This leads me to propose that only Dwarves of direct lineage can pick up the Ring: Daín, Thorin III, Thorin Oakenshield, Balin, Dwalin, Gimli, Gloín, Fili and Kili.
Now I realise that this is not very balanced for so many options to pick up the Ring but I have two solutions:
1 - We limit the ability to pick up the Ring to key individuals of each sub-faction, being Daín and Thorin Oakenshield (imagine that of all the beforementioned heroes, only they made it to Kings)
2 - All these Dwarves leave their body to let Durin's spirit enter it. Consequences are that they disappear and make place for Durin.

I hope this inspires some more progression in the discussion.

The_Necromancer0:

--- Zitat von: kingsjewel am  9. Jun 2016, 18:57 ---And if Durin does appear in the Spellbook? Although you're right in the Dwarves should  have only two Ringheroes. Unless Erebor should get a new hero. (because Dáin Ironfoot should be the Ringhero of Iron Hills.)

--- Ende Zitat ---
Well if he does appear in the Spellbook as a summon who can pick up the ring then it will be extremely unbalanced giving the Dwarves an enormous advantage. From what I've seen in this mod, the Team can tell when something like that might happen and try to balance it out.



--- Zitat von: Garlodur am  9. Jun 2016, 22:21 ---1 - We limit the ability to pick up the Ring to key individuals of each sub-faction, being Daín and Thorin Oakenshield (imagine that of all the beforementioned heroes, only they made it to Kings)
2 - All these Dwarves leave their body to let Durin's spirit enter it. Consequences are that they disappear and make place for Durin.

I hope this inspires some more progression in the discussion.

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1. That's a good idea, the summon by other hero picking up the ring is definitely what I think is the better idea however 2. I don't think it should take the place of theses heroes, because of certain key problems regarding balance:
-If those heroes are level 10, what level will Durin be? (Level 10 would be too easy and level 1 would mean the player loses a lot)
-What of the role of the replaced hero? (Durin is mostly a building destroyer but Dain and Thorin are more unit supporters)

kingsjewel:
No, I didn't think so. Durin would be a summon hero from Spellbook like Gandalf or Beorn. Thorin Oakenshield/Dain from Iron Hills/someone else in Erebor pick up the Ring and become Ringhero.
Durin would stay so but he wouldn't be Ringhero.
But just it's an idea. :)

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