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Durin's fate in the Edain Mod

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Isildurs Fluch:
First of all thanks for the compliment for Thorins skillset  :)
BotfA definitly gave me a perfect inspiration, as they showed this character change in a very drastic almost overdone manner. Maybe he could also get an alterd voice set only coming from this scenes of the movie  ;)

Concerning Dain:
It wouldn´t be the first time, that the team revoked a recent change.
If the reasons are good enough,  the change back to the former distribution of aspects between the two Dains is inbedded in a different ring system and doesn´t destroy the overall focus of the subfaction, I doubt they would fundamentally oppose the change back to the roots.
In my oppinion one of the ring-heroes either the Iron Hill Dain or DurinVII must have an aggressive focus, they shouldn´t be all defensive. Young Dain makes the most sense for me and as I said, I don´t see big problems concerning gameplay.

Maybe a statement of one of the team members would help in this matter, because I can understand, that you hesitate to implement something in the concept that has a high possibility of refusal.
After all we could integrate my ideas for Dain and Thorin only in the long, ideal concept, not in the short pragmatic one to ensure the focus remains on the core which is the implementation of DurinVII as ring-hero for Erebor.

When I understood you right, you already said there will be two alternative concepts one short and pragmatic, the other extensive and ideal as we would see it to increase the possibility of implementation...

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Isildurs Fluch am 27. Jul 2017, 11:23 ---When I understood you right, you already said there will be two alternative concepts one short and pragmatic, the other extensive and ideal as we would see it to increase the possibility of implementation...

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Yes that was my initial idea, but i think that, after some discussion with dk, we have almost reach a more balanced and compact version of the skillset of Durin VII, such as now his escalation to power il slower (i've started following your suggestion about balance) ;).
I decided to keep the idea of balance and insert it in the concept as it is, keeping the rest more or less the same,because this way the work is compact and less complex. Also, the story of Hannar is rather a background to insert the character in Erebor than a name to use in game. I would like myself to developed more about him (as i just wrote before), but i realized that if we summon him as Durin VII directly, we keep that sort of "mysterius aura" around him, such as it is in the lore ;). All of these considerations should make the work easier to implement and more "soft" so to say ;). Anyway i have to finish it, and evetually refine some points.


--- Zitat von: Isildurs Fluch am 27. Jul 2017, 11:23 ---In my opinion one of the ring-heroes either the Iron Hill Dain or DurinVII must have an aggressive focus, they shouldn´t be all defensive. Young Dain makes the most sense for me and as I said, I don´t see big problems concerning gameplay.
Maybe a statement of one of the team members would help in this matter, because I can understand, that you hesitate to implement something in the concept that has a high possibility of refusal.

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Agree. The aggressive style lacks a bit in the dwarves.


--- Zitat von: Isildurs Fluch am 27. Jul 2017, 11:23 ---After all we could integrate my ideas for Dain and Thorin only in the long, ideal concept, not in the short pragmatic one to ensure the focus remains on the core which is the implementation of DurinVII as ring-hero for Erebor.

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I will create after the new thread, but i would focus it on Durin VII only. Not because i have something against you or your concept (i like also the Thorin ideas), be it clear  [ugly]. Only because the primal objective of the concept is the return of Durin in the most canonic way, and i wouldn't mix too much arguments in the same thread, especially if you want to gather opinions  ;).
Said that, if you need help about anything (you mentioned the palantirs and graphics for example) just ask me  ;)

Isildurs Fluch:

--- Zitat von: AulëTheSmith am 27. Jul 2017, 13:13 ---I will create after the new thread, but i would focus it on Durin VII only. Not because i have something against you or your concept (i like also the Thorin ideas), be it clear  [ugly]. Only because the primal objective of the concept is the return of Durin in the most canonic way, and i wouldn't mix too much arguments in the same thread, especially if you want to gather opinions  ;).
Said that, if you need help about anything (you mentioned the palantirs and graphics for example) just ask me  ;)

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That´s totally understandable for me. Letting Durin return should be the primary goal of the concept and anything else will draw to much attention to other aspects of the concept. The only problem is, that my concept is pretty much build up around yours, so it can´t really stand alone...
So I will probably just wait for your concept to pass and than reenter the discussion with my addition to your idea in a seperate thread. Am I allowed to integrate my concept into yours in the German translation I wanted to create?
Some help with the graphics for the abbilitys would be awesome  (**)
Yours sincerely
Isildurs Bane

Walküre:
I wouldn't be concerned about the opinion of the Edain Team on the matter. Getting to know their thoughts could be useful indeed, but that is quite unlikely to happen, unless the concept has truly reached a definitive form. The version which is to be submitted to the general judgement. Developers are more likely to discuss things internally, leaving the burden of carrying on the debate to moderators. That is my prime duty :)

As for the translation, I think it would be better if you found a general design with which you both agree, so that the German translation is genuinely a loyal transposition from the English forum; surely, additions may always be added, as long as all parties of the two Communities are aware of them. Developing two different discussions at the same time might be quite strenuous. You should try to manage things as I did with the concepts of Galadriel and Narya. I'm always at disposal, should you need help.

kingsjewel:
Isildurs Fluch, your new ring hero concept is simply wonderful (especially Thorin's) . I just love it.
There are fantastic ideas in this post, I hope we will see them once in game too :)
I re-registered to write this answer :D

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